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and good afternoon from Philadelphia

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Frank here with UFO News Network Sunday

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we've got a big show with a huge lineup

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for everybody we're gonna review the

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year to 2019

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as far as UFOs are concerned so let's

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get to it let me bring in my coach aunt

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Hannah I chant come on in and introduce

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our enormous panel for today's show dad

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sorry about that everybody I got

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abducted for a moment we have such a

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large panel on today if I miss you

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please go ahead and introduce yourself

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that's literally how large our panelists

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today so I'm going to go ahead and start

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off in no particular order we have

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Michael W also known as a paranormal

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lawyer he has been involved in the UFO

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topic for many decades and everybody

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looks to him for UFO news and the latest

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also from his UFO eye team they do in

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the field research we also have Steve

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Hudgens who's a director of

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Investigations for MUFON we have John

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Aldridge and Jan is the founder and

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coordinator of project 1947 a research

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project documenting UFO news accounts

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from sightings that occurred in 1947 we

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have Zen Benefiel he's an author coach

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educator facilitator with an MBA an MA

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in organizational management and curator

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for UFO GP RSS and blogger for UF ology

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press we have Shane herd investigator

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for Phoenix MUFON Stacey Wright

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assistant director of Phoenix MUFON and

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director of Phoenix MUFON Jim Mann with

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us we also have Earl Grey who was

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investigator for many years before

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Southern California MUFON is now the

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assistant director for Southern

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MUFON I think there's maybe a few other

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positions possibly with star teens so

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early you'll have to update us on that

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and then let's see we have Ruben Uriarte

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as an author and has published really

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interesting findings regarding the UFO

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topic so he'll have to share a little

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bit more about his background with us

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and I'm trying to think if there's

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anybody else I know we will probably

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have Paul Dean later on in the show

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Steve Bassett said he'll be joining us

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in a little bit so it's gonna be a long

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show so we got plenty of time to add

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those folks dr. Scott is dr. Scott on

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she is not but I've alerted her and

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hopefully she'll be joining us good we

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also have Michael panitch hello the

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director for a Connecticut MUFON who

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will be joining us he just texted me to

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let me know that he's going to be doing

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that in a bit we also have Russell as

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bill who is a vestigators for Phoenix

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MUFON and we have David Loomis and David

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is also he's with MUFON and I believe

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that he is the section director for Xolo

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and who is me Vallauris who is the

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creator and the director and owner of

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the alien autopsy movie and more so

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we'll go over that later

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so is there anyone else that's pretty

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good nice now when everybody comes on

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and if you're on with us please stay on

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audio because this is an audio only show

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do not go on video we want to know how

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do you feel the topic went regarding the

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UFO a topic that we all love to cover is

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there anything anybody would like to say

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every job everybody jump in at once

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okay that's break yes okay

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go ahead Brussels we're waiting oh okay

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yeah I didn't know if mine was when they

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was breaking up one thing I noticed

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about 2019 is the general public is

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talking about it more but and I think

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that's because a lot of the from the US

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Navy has been going more mainstream so

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people are accepting it better and I

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government to release more anyway the

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public's eyes they're becoming more

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acceptable as more in front of them I

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think 2019 was a good year will anybody

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else want to chime in on that topic

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this is Earl from Los Angeles MUFON and

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he had 2019 it says my friend Russell

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was just saying I think that people have

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been much more open to hearing about the

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phenomenon and and I think that your

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assessment is correct to wrestle a lot

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of it has to do with the how the

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mainstream media has really focused on

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the nimitz affair the tick-tack UFO and

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and it's kind of gone from there it's

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you know where it seems like you know

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there's more news coverage and not as

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much of the x-files theme and and not as

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much joking about little green men and

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stuff like that it's it's kind of opened

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it up and now you see people like

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Michiyo Kaku and and and such coming

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forward with with good information and

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and not the usual ridicule that were

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we've become so accustomed to in the

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past and I'm glad you brought up Mitch

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was that was attributed to him this year

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UFO World Congress in Barcelona Spain

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he said the burden of proof has shifted

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to the government and the military now

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they have to prove that these sightings

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are not from outer space and another

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civilization several things have

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happened first we have video tapes video

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tapes taken by United State

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Navy pilots that are testable we can now

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see and calculate how fast they move how

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fast they can zigzag what is the

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altitude we know the parameters of these

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objects now we didn't have that before

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and so this means that the burden of

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proof has shifted now the military the

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government has to prove that they are

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not from another planet dr. michio kaku

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thoughts anybody on this topic please

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let us know who it is when you chime in

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thank you oh hello everybody it's great

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to be on the panel with such a great

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thing I've noticed is the increase of

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home topic the UFOs but not necessarily

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just here United sometimes I I do get

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your information and links from from

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other organizations throughout Mexico

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Latin America and even in Europe so it

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just seems to be of course while it's an

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international phenomenon and of course

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it has a lot of interesting you know

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people want to be updated and it's

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interesting to see what people are

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following and they do follow the US

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media they follow

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MUFON they follow all the other latest

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news but also in particular there's so

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much going on in other countries just

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there's one nice thing about this new

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world we're living in everybody can

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follow everybody know if something

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happens in England we can keep on top of

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that here in the States no problem it's

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fantastic

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I would like to Stacey Wright and Jim

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Mann and David Loomis what they think of

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Machuca coup statements regarding what

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he what he said this year at the UFO

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Congress the third international UFO

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well this is Stacey and I love what he

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said that I think he kind of jumped on

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the bandwagon just because everyone else

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was about to jump on the bandwagon too

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and he didn't want to be left behind so

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does give everyone the I told you sell

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moments that we've been waiting for for

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quite a few years the 2019 was a year of

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all kinds of action going on we finally

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had some stuff coming out that cannot be

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denied so I think it was great I'm glad

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Michiyo jumped on there like he did

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because he's very legitimate people do

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listen to him okay and Jane Aldridge I'd

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like to jump in and ask you how do you

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think that 20-19 went regarding UFOs

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what was the big thing that got your

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attention and what do you see for us all

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everybody else the the the press

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interest in general public interest is

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is very stimulating but we don't have

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having discussions of UFOs in the

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mainstream media we haven't had many

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people come forward with old cases or

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unusual it is odd yeah you're right

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about that we've seen from the to the

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stars folks we've seen more detail on a

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couple of big cases the Nimitz case

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which is you know going on 16 years old

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now and then the more recent case

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involving the Roosevelt you know people

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are kind of jumping on the boat

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basically as a from that Nimitz case a

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day baby's done an amazing job in terms

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of rounding up new witnesses who were

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available for that but it seems like

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that's all we've got there have to be

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more cases than that

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yes Shane here this is Jen again I I'm

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looking at this statement to that you

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know the the government has to prove we

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had we had information before Nimitz if

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you look at the mine our case in 68 we

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had we had the radar photographs and and

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they I just I just want to remember

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taking those down to dr. Haynes and him

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looking at him and he knew immediately

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what was going on in the photographs

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they could figure out the speech right

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away so we've had we've had information

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it just is not breaking through like the

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Nimitz case is now with that minor uh

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with Jim then we'll get to you Jan what

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was the time frame for you and dr.

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Haynes taking a look at that radar

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information now how long after the the

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case itself did you guys get hold of

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that well this is a we could go on with

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this thing for it's a it's a it's a

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lesson in UFO history and and how does

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everything wrong in UFOs but Tom Tom and

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I Tom to mean and I interviewed the

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pilot about 2004 I think it was and we

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started getting a hint about how big

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this case was even though it was in blue

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book you could read that but once we

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started talking to all the all the

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participants it was it was fantastic and

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then the radar

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the radar photographs which were which

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are in blue book but they're very poor

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but we got a really good set of

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photographs from the former intelligence

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officer up there and well I could say

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another one

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Lieutenant Colonel Matson we showed him

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those radar things and he understood

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what was going on right away it was it

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so the the problem is the press we got

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the newest case got in the press and

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it's got a lot of traction which we

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didn't have before and Minot has kind of

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very complicated type of story that that

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may be difficult to understand

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we know the skeptics don't want to go

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near it they're scared of it okay and

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now Shane you were looking to jump in

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what do you got yeah I was thinking

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about dr. Kaku and his his comment and I

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couldn't ask myself well why does he

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think now that the burden of proof lies

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on the government and you know what I

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was thinking about was the fact that

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it's really the quality of evidence that

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has been presented namely those three on

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camera video of clips that to my

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knowledge we've never had that kind of

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data before actual US military airplanes

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recording with you know optical and

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thermal camera data and and you know it

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makes it hard to refute hard hard to

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dismiss so I think in that way it's

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pretty powerful stuff and so and the way

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that it's played out with TTS a

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releasing the videos a lot of the

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mainstream media coverage then you know

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the production of unidentified America's

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UFO investigation and then subsequently

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the

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and we're changing our reporting

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procedures so you know our military

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members can quickly and easily and

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without retribution make a report I mean

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to me that's just almost the the biggest

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thing that's happened in 70 years of

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ufology and you know we're all here to

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see it so I think it's really awesome

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and I do appreciate dr. Kaku wing and

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because he is a credible individual

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although he is a mainstream scientists

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so he still has other views he's not

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only not on the reality of UFOs being

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aliens but he's at least dipping his toe

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in that water which again we have never

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seen in the past so I think it's a

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pretty big deal 2019 is awesome

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David Loomis the state section director

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for Xolo MUFON and then I'd also like to

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ask Jim man the same question what are

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your thoughts on what Mitch you uh Kaku

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said that the quote that I read and also

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you're Mike yeah Mike's David Loomis and

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Jim man yep you're mark you sound good

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yeah you know I have to go along with

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the comment that Stacy made that I think

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a lot of people are almost to the point

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of because they're there their

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visibility is so high like Michiyo and

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others that I know there's others and I

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don't pay attention to them I think

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sometimes I think they're forced into it

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they have to say something because the

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world is watching them and they're

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expecting them to say something the

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logical thing at this point after all

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the evidence that have come forward this

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past year in 2019

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you have to say something if you are a

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person of high visibility so I think I

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think dr. Kaku came forward because of

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that and although I mean I think he has

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a genuine interest in in the fact that

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we're not alone in the universe I think

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he's made that very clear but he was

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pretty much cornered by by news media

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and research communities in general we

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were all waiting to see what he was

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going to say if Steven Hawkins were

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still around we'd be waiting to see what

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Steven has to say and he would be

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cornered - and he would have to say

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something and that's kind of the way I

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feel about it

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and you know going forward at this point

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this is what's gonna happen with with

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every person of notoriety who was in

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science in astronomy and research you

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know the space programs NASA and the

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rest they're gonna have to say something

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eventually because they're going to look

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like the fool and I think the fact that

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the burden of proof now is no longer on

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on the MUFON groups and others for UFO

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dependent research groups proof is out

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there and now we're just waiting for

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others to to make a comments and I think

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that's a great great spot to be in

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and I think that's what we've seen here

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in 2019 is that we can finally rest a

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little bit and set back and see what the

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rest of the world is gonna finally admit

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I think that's pretty neat so we we

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still have Dave Loomis to hear from Zen

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Benefiel Michael Hall and Spiro smile

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eros and also just so everybody knows we

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have another individual who came on the

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show with us his name is Dean Ashley and

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he actually joined the Navy in 1996

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became an aviation electronics

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technician and served for a little over

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four years and he is an expert on a

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variety of Flers both old and new analog

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and digital just so everybody is aware

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of his background

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Dave Loomis if you're there can you

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please chime in on this topic we can

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barely hear you yeah your ma you're

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muffled when you feel like you're able

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to fix that muffled aspect let us know

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and I'm

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go ahead and move on to Zen Benefiel

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what is your perspective regarding

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Michio Kaku on this topic well I'm kind

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of in agreement with Stacy and Jim and

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that he needed to stand up and say

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something the fact that he took it even

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deeper into the possibilities of the

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type 2 type 3 civilizations what they're

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capable of you know and looking at it

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from a broader perspective of you know

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thinking is how would they engage us or

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how might we be able to perceive how

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they're engaging us which to date we

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haven't really been able to do so

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because we've been focused on the nuts

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and bolts and the sightings of the

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videos and and the evidence and things

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of that nature which the hard data is

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just as important as a soft sight which

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is the experience of it in 20 I guess

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this didn't happen in 2019 but in 2018

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free released their series of surveys

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and the results however speculative or

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even more of a subjective kind of look

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at things I think that will in the near

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future hold as high as importance as the

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physical data because we've got to

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eventually okay who are we dealing with

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how are we dealing with them how do we

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interact can we interact how do they

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want to stay interact what are they here

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to offer or are we just being observed

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are these folks from our ancient past or

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from our present or the future or you

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know there's lots of questions that are

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still unanswered and maybe not even ask

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I think one of the things that to me and

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I could be totally wrong but the meta

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materials that came up the TTS a are

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going to be released and Linda brought

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those out there mid-90s part of what

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it seems especially from the location

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that they were found which was in the

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northern white sands area not too far

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from the Trinity site so you know we we

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need the questions that we asked my

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statement about that is in regards to

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the nuclear test the possible fusion of

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materials that then appear to be meta

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materials okay so I'm gonna move on to

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because we have quite a few people we

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have Steve Hudgens Michael Hall Dean

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Ashley Earl Grey Reuben or Yatta

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you know there's few people left any one

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of the people I just mentioned please

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chime in but let us know who you are and

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please put your other mics on on mute

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thank you

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so we have Earl we have Steve Hodgins

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Dean Ashley

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any anyone if you folks Reuben OD out

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they'd like to come forward Steve I will

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Steve Huggins okay thank you I agree

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with what Jim and Oliver everyone is

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saying and I believe that when he said

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that the burden of proof is on the Navy

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that takes the shoulder of the two

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before off of everyone's shoulder and

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puts it on to the Navy and we all know

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the Navy in the government they're not

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going to admit to anything at this

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moment okay all right great thank you

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very much for that and then Earl Grey we

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have you hi yeah this is Earl I you know

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what's interesting I think is that we've

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talked about this before even on your

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show that dr. Bruce Maccabee has been

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talking a lot recently about how none of

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this is new information the speeds of

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the craft the way that the craft that

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were you know reported in the Nimitz

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affair

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you know how they should have created a

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fireball didn't they should have you

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know been causing sonic booms which

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didn't happen but you know this is sort

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of old news and old hat to the bunch of

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us you know have been studying you have

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you know ufology for many years

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I mean reports like this go back to 1947

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so something is definitely changed as

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far as I think absolutely that the New

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York time

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that they published that story that that

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was quite a wonderful reveal for it and

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you do have to take you know love them

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or hate them you have to take hats off

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to the Stars Academy guys you know they

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did get this information out in a huge

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publicity

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you know thrust out to the media so it

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really does put us in a different

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position now and BTO I think it's

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probably the first of many scientists

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that are probably going to eventually

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have to as you were saying earlier are

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going to have to address the situation

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I mean it's worldwide people are seeing

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craft as they always have another thing

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that's really interesting is how many

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people in the UFO field have been coming

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forward lately as experiencers you know

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I work in the experiencer research team

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with Kathleen Martin you know over it in

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MUFON and I speak with experiencers

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sometimes every day multiple people and

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we we see the same markers and people

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the same this is the same story but it's

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it's really you know a lot of authors a

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lot of speakers and a lot of big names

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in ufology have recently been coming out

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in the saying I'm an experienced or two

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so that's something this is something

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new that people are feeling comfortable

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in sharing their own personal

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visitations from Kathleen Mardin

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- you know - I mean there have been a

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lot of people have been coming forward

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Richard Hastings I think just came

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forward Robert Salas myself have been

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finally coming forward and feeling

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comfortable talking about it so it's

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kind of opened up the floodgates I think

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to the phenomenon great thank you we

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also have Reuben or yacht this Spira

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small heiress and Dean Ashley and maybe

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one other person left to talk about this

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topic so Reuben or Spiro sardine

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whichever one of you want to speak up

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and Michael Hall also just be sure to

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say your name so we know who's talking

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this is Spiros here okay

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hi good afternoon or good evening

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everybody

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good evening I don't really have much to

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say I'm not really from the UFO

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community so I I don't really follow all

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the stuff I come from us I think I have

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a unique perspective for everybody else

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which is that of a layperson looking in

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and my question to you I mean I I'll let

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you carry on with this not this subject

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but my question ultimately will be are

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you doing enough to make the subject

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that you're investigating and studying

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credible because from from the outside

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we've seen an awful lot of nonsense

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spoken and a lot of you have backed it

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up you know let me know what you want me

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yeah well well I want to ask you about

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this you had a really interesting year

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involving the UFOs a little video known

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as the alien autopsy video I got you

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back into the news you had some role in

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producing that so there here it all is

544
00:28:45,640 --> 00:28:41,570
come in kind of full circle for you a

545
00:28:47,380 --> 00:28:45,650
lot of attention again focused on that

546
00:28:50,050 --> 00:28:47,390
particular piece of work and that now

547
00:28:52,750 --> 00:28:50,060
all of a sudden it seems like you can't

548
00:28:55,840 --> 00:28:52,760
kill it it seems like it was pretty well

549
00:28:59,590 --> 00:28:55,850
put to bed and explained as a you know

550
00:29:02,050 --> 00:28:59,600
as a hoax as a fiction designed to

551
00:29:04,810 --> 00:29:02,060
entertain people and ultimately it's

552
00:29:07,060 --> 00:29:04,820
back in and some folks are running

553
00:29:09,340 --> 00:29:07,070
around in the UFO field saying no

554
00:29:12,190 --> 00:29:09,350
actually despite the fact that the guys

555
00:29:16,090 --> 00:29:12,200
who made it are saying it's a fake we

556
00:29:18,280 --> 00:29:16,100
think it's real so what's going on 25

557
00:29:21,640 --> 00:29:18,290
year anniversary of it's next year

558
00:29:24,010 --> 00:29:21,650
it's really good ok places my good

559
00:29:26,890 --> 00:29:24,020
friend Philip mantle who I respect

560
00:29:29,380 --> 00:29:26,900
highly in this field because he's

561
00:29:30,880 --> 00:29:29,390
meticulous in his research you know he

562
00:29:33,910 --> 00:29:30,890
doesn't leave any to any stone unturned

563
00:29:37,390 --> 00:29:33,920
and and he researched the alien autopsy

564
00:29:42,420 --> 00:29:37,400
for the majority about 25 years

565
00:29:45,190 --> 00:29:42,430
and and so he said to me a few years ago

566
00:29:48,310 --> 00:29:45,200
the alien autopsy is never going to go

567
00:29:51,040 --> 00:29:48,320
away it's never going to die and I said

568
00:29:53,350 --> 00:29:51,050
fill it no one's interested anymore why

569
00:29:58,330 --> 00:29:53,360
would they be and he was absolutely

570
00:29:59,410 --> 00:29:58,340
right of course the the big question I

571
00:30:02,140 --> 00:29:59,420
have

572
00:30:04,620 --> 00:30:02,150
it's mr. Hall here with us yes it's

573
00:30:08,740 --> 00:30:04,630
Michael Hall is here with us hi Michael

574
00:30:11,830 --> 00:30:08,750
how are you oh yes Rose I'm doing well

575
00:30:15,970 --> 00:30:11,840
buddy excellent well done I've got a

576
00:30:19,720 --> 00:30:15,980
question for you yes on your show you

577
00:30:22,390 --> 00:30:19,730
you spoke to Ray Santilli and and mrs.

578
00:30:25,570 --> 00:30:22,400
Antony made it a number of promises to

579
00:30:27,880 --> 00:30:25,580
you that he would deliver film and he

580
00:30:31,900 --> 00:30:27,890
would deliver evidence and and and all

581
00:30:35,260 --> 00:30:31,910
sorts of wonderful things and and he's

582
00:30:38,230 --> 00:30:35,270
delivered nothing and I've asked you a

583
00:30:42,400 --> 00:30:38,240
few times at which poor way are we going

584
00:30:44,200 --> 00:30:42,410
to say he hasn't got anything but what

585
00:30:47,680 --> 00:30:44,210
point do you shut this down because

586
00:30:48,970 --> 00:30:47,690
you've left it open that that's you've

587
00:30:54,460 --> 00:30:48,980
left it open in the public domain that

588
00:30:56,470 --> 00:30:54,470
he's going to deliver real film well you

589
00:30:59,860 --> 00:30:56,480
know the grant Cameron and I that was

590
00:31:04,150 --> 00:30:59,870
our main intent was to put him on the

591
00:31:06,370 --> 00:31:04,160
record yes he he does come on the record

592
00:31:09,970 --> 00:31:06,380
you know and he says that he has some

593
00:31:12,660 --> 00:31:09,980
original film yep maybe a minute and

594
00:31:16,720 --> 00:31:12,670
eight seconds worth of original film

595
00:31:20,110 --> 00:31:16,730
that was melded into your production is

596
00:31:23,500 --> 00:31:20,120
what he said of course our interview and

597
00:31:25,960 --> 00:31:23,510
that he would be willing to at one point

598
00:31:30,220 --> 00:31:25,970
he says share that original film so we

599
00:31:32,460 --> 00:31:30,230
could verify its authenticity you know

600
00:31:36,400 --> 00:31:32,470
with the experts out there and of course

601
00:31:38,680 --> 00:31:36,410
we have not received that film so it's

602
00:31:40,930 --> 00:31:38,690
not going to be up to Grant Cameron or

603
00:31:43,210 --> 00:31:40,940
myself to shut it down we are just

604
00:31:46,390 --> 00:31:43,220
basically making sure that people

605
00:31:48,190 --> 00:31:46,400
realize that the statement was made the

606
00:31:50,620 --> 00:31:48,200
longer the period of time goes without

607
00:31:53,410 --> 00:31:50,630
him proving his statement

608
00:31:55,030 --> 00:31:53,420
with backing up with the evidence is you

609
00:31:58,060 --> 00:31:55,040
know it's in his ball court there so uh

610
00:32:00,910 --> 00:31:58,070
I I I still would love to see him do

611
00:32:04,180 --> 00:32:00,920
something in that regard because I even

612
00:32:07,380 --> 00:32:04,190
understand that Philip mantle has some

613
00:32:10,840 --> 00:32:07,390
original frames of that film himself

614
00:32:13,060 --> 00:32:10,850
that he might be willing to to bring

615
00:32:15,550 --> 00:32:13,070
that's yeah that's not true

616
00:32:20,650 --> 00:32:15,560
that's not true what Philip has got is

617
00:32:23,260 --> 00:32:20,660
some 1947 film of a random occurrence

618
00:32:26,140 --> 00:32:23,270
that has nothing to do with the alien

619
00:32:30,370 --> 00:32:26,150
autopsy aliens or anything extraordinary

620
00:32:34,420 --> 00:32:30,380
and it's just a piece of film from the

621
00:32:37,630 --> 00:32:34,430
era okay even that would be very helpful

622
00:32:40,630 --> 00:32:37,640
as far as trying to get a base you know

623
00:32:42,520 --> 00:32:40,640
knowledge of that era film for sure all

624
00:32:44,590 --> 00:32:42,530
I'm saying is that we're out there still

625
00:32:49,870 --> 00:32:44,600
waiting to find any corroborating

626
00:32:52,900 --> 00:32:49,880
evidence that would show that this thing

627
00:32:54,340 --> 00:32:52,910
is true or false I'm not coming down on

628
00:32:56,860 --> 00:32:54,350
either side of the thing and I'm just

629
00:32:58,950 --> 00:32:56,870
waiting at this point and no longer we

630
00:33:01,780 --> 00:32:58,960
wait to find there longer it's going to

631
00:33:04,270 --> 00:33:01,790
you know be lingering in people's minds

632
00:33:07,960 --> 00:33:04,280
I agree [\h__\h] I appreciate your position

633
00:33:12,550 --> 00:33:07,970
but my my position is I don't know if

634
00:33:15,940 --> 00:33:12,560
you're aware but I made a challenge to

635
00:33:19,120 --> 00:33:15,950
mrs. Anne Tilly with a national

636
00:33:24,310 --> 00:33:19,130
newspaper in the UK that we would take a

637
00:33:28,420 --> 00:33:24,320
lie-detector test together and once and

638
00:33:30,580 --> 00:33:28,430
for all mr. Santilli said absolutely no

639
00:33:32,020 --> 00:33:30,590
problem we'll do that this one might

640
00:33:35,020 --> 00:33:32,030
it's on my website if anybody wants to

641
00:33:38,920 --> 00:33:35,030
go and see the the clips are there and

642
00:33:41,230 --> 00:33:38,930
he didn't turn up okay the other thing

643
00:33:44,110 --> 00:33:41,240
that this is a long time ago now so my

644
00:33:45,880 --> 00:33:44,120
point to you is do you not have a

645
00:33:47,560 --> 00:33:45,890
responsibility and please don't think

646
00:33:49,630 --> 00:33:47,570
I'm having a go at you because I know I

647
00:33:52,750 --> 00:33:49,640
know you're being fair and you're being

648
00:33:55,480 --> 00:33:52,760
impartial but do you not think that you

649
00:33:57,640 --> 00:33:55,490
have a responsibility to put some

650
00:33:59,740 --> 00:33:57,650
pressure on to Santilli because all

651
00:34:02,890 --> 00:33:59,750
that's happened is his made a rash

652
00:34:04,049 --> 00:34:02,900
promise his on record as saying he has

653
00:34:05,700 --> 00:34:04,059
film

654
00:34:08,609 --> 00:34:05,710
those that believe him is saying yeah

655
00:34:10,349 --> 00:34:08,619
you see he's got film and what you're

656
00:34:13,529 --> 00:34:10,359
doing is you're just letting him be on

657
00:34:17,010 --> 00:34:13,539
record having said he's got film it's

658
00:34:19,049 --> 00:34:17,020
time to put up or shut up he can't he

659
00:34:20,970 --> 00:34:19,059
can't have it both ways and if you say

660
00:34:23,339 --> 00:34:20,980
well we know what hopefully he'll come

661
00:34:25,470 --> 00:34:23,349
forward well he hasn't come forward in a

662
00:34:29,579 --> 00:34:25,480
long time how long is it since a show it

663
00:34:31,710 --> 00:34:29,589
must be a few months now so so at what

664
00:34:34,319 --> 00:34:31,720
point do we say he's never going to

665
00:34:36,960 --> 00:34:34,329
deliver any film so he's never had any

666
00:34:39,510 --> 00:34:36,970
film I mean I'm telling you as a matter

667
00:34:43,019 --> 00:34:39,520
of fact that he has never had any film

668
00:34:45,450 --> 00:34:43,029
okay I made the alien autopsy film

669
00:34:48,240 --> 00:34:45,460
completely from scratch so there's no

670
00:34:51,720 --> 00:34:48,250
elements in that film which are from a

671
00:34:53,460 --> 00:34:51,730
real film so I know that for a fact and

672
00:34:56,309 --> 00:34:53,470
I have out actually asked mr. Santilli

673
00:34:58,559 --> 00:34:56,319
please show me which frames are the real

674
00:34:59,970 --> 00:34:58,569
ones because I edited that whole thing

675
00:35:02,220 --> 00:34:59,980
up so I have not aware of any other

676
00:35:04,500 --> 00:35:02,230
frames and I said if there are real

677
00:35:06,769 --> 00:35:04,510
frames somebody else must have put them

678
00:35:09,000 --> 00:35:06,779
in so let's talk to that person

679
00:35:11,190 --> 00:35:09,010
nothing happens of course he just goes

680
00:35:13,740 --> 00:35:11,200
quiet and then he'll material I he'll

681
00:35:16,620 --> 00:35:13,750
come forward when somebody like grant

682
00:35:19,680 --> 00:35:16,630
Cameron makes some very very bold

683
00:35:21,569 --> 00:35:19,690
statements and then there's airtime and

684
00:35:23,940 --> 00:35:21,579
it looks like there's another buck to be

685
00:35:26,880 --> 00:35:23,950
made so they come forward and they start

686
00:35:29,549 --> 00:35:26,890
making promises again and what I'm what

687
00:35:30,150 --> 00:35:29,559
I'm actually saying is you've afforded

688
00:35:33,809 --> 00:35:30,160
him

689
00:35:36,690 --> 00:35:33,819
airtime to continually perpetuate this

690
00:35:39,180 --> 00:35:36,700
lie and at some point you must take

691
00:35:41,220 --> 00:35:39,190
responsibility and say we've given him

692
00:35:44,250 --> 00:35:41,230
enough time let's give him a deadline

693
00:35:45,960 --> 00:35:44,260
let's say Musante Lee we've had a few

694
00:35:48,210 --> 00:35:45,970
months now shall we call it another

695
00:35:49,890 --> 00:35:48,220
three months how much you need how much

696
00:35:51,990 --> 00:35:49,900
time do you need and let's call it let's

697
00:35:55,410 --> 00:35:52,000
give it a deadline so it's not another

698
00:35:57,420 --> 00:35:55,420
25 years you see because this rate it

699
00:35:59,490 --> 00:35:57,430
will be another 25 years and he'll still

700
00:36:01,339 --> 00:35:59,500
be going on about this film that he's

701
00:36:04,799 --> 00:36:01,349
got that no one's ever seen

702
00:36:08,460 --> 00:36:04,809
well Spiro so let me just respond real

703
00:36:11,609 --> 00:36:08,470
quickly here is that indeed what you're

704
00:36:14,160 --> 00:36:11,619
doing today is kind of throwing the

705
00:36:18,190 --> 00:36:14,170
gauntlet down over and over at this guy

706
00:36:21,250 --> 00:36:18,200
when in reality you know my thought

707
00:36:22,810 --> 00:36:21,260
let him allow a specific timeframe to

708
00:36:25,540 --> 00:36:22,820
say something and if he doesn't produce

709
00:36:27,849 --> 00:36:25,550
you let the public make up their mind on

710
00:36:30,910 --> 00:36:27,859
whether this is a true story or not but

711
00:36:32,800 --> 00:36:30,920
to bring him up every every once in a

712
00:36:34,300 --> 00:36:32,810
while and say hey where is the stuff

713
00:36:35,800 --> 00:36:34,310
where's the stuff that's

714
00:36:37,810 --> 00:36:35,810
counterproductive as far as I'm

715
00:36:40,210 --> 00:36:37,820
concerned because if he's not going to

716
00:36:43,630 --> 00:36:40,220
come forward that's up to him and we're

717
00:36:44,560 --> 00:36:43,640
gonna let it die but if you want to make

718
00:36:46,150 --> 00:36:44,570
sure it dies

719
00:36:49,300 --> 00:36:46,160
don't keep bringing them up let's put it

720
00:36:51,430 --> 00:36:49,310
that way I can't agree with that because

721
00:36:54,820 --> 00:36:51,440
the the fact that you don't put it to

722
00:36:57,220 --> 00:36:54,830
bed and close it it stays alive and yes

723
00:36:58,330 --> 00:36:57,230
you're asking me to prove you're asking

724
00:37:00,370 --> 00:36:58,340
me to prove a negative which is

725
00:37:02,410 --> 00:37:00,380
impossible to do you can't do it either

726
00:37:04,390 --> 00:37:02,420
so what we're doing at this point is

727
00:37:07,870 --> 00:37:04,400
just asking for evidence if it doesn't

728
00:37:09,520 --> 00:37:07,880
come forth then the court of public

729
00:37:12,370 --> 00:37:09,530
opinion is going to make up their own

730
00:37:15,370 --> 00:37:12,380
decision in that regard if we were to

731
00:37:17,890 --> 00:37:15,380
talk about a court case if you didn't

732
00:37:20,320 --> 00:37:17,900
produce evidence in that court case then

733
00:37:22,480 --> 00:37:20,330
you would found guilty if you don't find

734
00:37:22,930 --> 00:37:22,490
that evidence and and it will be thrown

735
00:37:25,120 --> 00:37:22,940
out

736
00:37:27,099 --> 00:37:25,130
it wouldn't be left there oh well we

737
00:37:29,490 --> 00:37:27,109
can't decide we'll just leave it the

738
00:37:31,839 --> 00:37:29,500
judge would say there is no evidence

739
00:37:33,609 --> 00:37:31,849
there's no smoking gun there's no dead

740
00:37:36,300 --> 00:37:33,619
body there's no DNA there's nothing

741
00:37:40,630 --> 00:37:36,310
there is no case there's no business

742
00:37:46,440 --> 00:37:40,640
it's a simple case of he has produced no

743
00:37:52,240 --> 00:37:49,109
and as experts in the field

744
00:37:53,950 --> 00:37:52,250
investigating a subject of subject you

745
00:37:55,990 --> 00:37:53,960
have a responsibility to close it down

746
00:37:59,200 --> 00:37:56,000
not leave it open because if you leave

747
00:38:01,210 --> 00:37:59,210
it open it leaves him in business well

748
00:38:02,800 --> 00:38:01,220
you're you're a little mistake in there

749
00:38:04,510 --> 00:38:02,810
when you say the judge is going to close

750
00:38:06,700 --> 00:38:04,520
the case you know with no evidence

751
00:38:08,740 --> 00:38:06,710
basically the evidence or not is going

752
00:38:11,140 --> 00:38:08,750
to be presented and of course then the

753
00:38:15,250 --> 00:38:11,150
jury is going to make up the decision on

754
00:38:17,740 --> 00:38:15,260
truth or veracity of this event and I I

755
00:38:19,900 --> 00:38:17,750
don't even want to keep going on this

756
00:38:22,329 --> 00:38:19,910
subject we've got a whole lot of experts

757
00:38:24,400 --> 00:38:22,339
on our panel today that need to get

758
00:38:28,870 --> 00:38:24,410
their points of view out on many many

759
00:38:30,650 --> 00:38:28,880
other subjects but all I get let's just

760
00:38:32,930 --> 00:38:30,660
allow the public

761
00:38:35,410 --> 00:38:32,940
be the jury in this regard and they're

762
00:38:40,789 --> 00:38:35,420
going to make up their own minds very

763
00:38:45,230 --> 00:38:40,799
okay it's real okay

764
00:38:47,569 --> 00:38:45,240
so that's where we are what well

765
00:38:49,749 --> 00:38:47,579
everybody that's listening how many of

766
00:38:55,900 --> 00:38:49,759
you think the alien autopsy film is real

767
00:38:59,420 --> 00:38:55,910
just out of interest nope not here I

768
00:39:03,920 --> 00:38:59,430
don't think any anybody nobody's chiming

769
00:39:06,529 --> 00:39:03,930
in so thank you very much for that input

770
00:39:08,720 --> 00:39:06,539
from Spiro smart director and owner

771
00:39:13,640 --> 00:39:08,730
creator of the alien autopsy movie and

772
00:39:16,370 --> 00:39:13,650
also from Michael W Hall attorneys so I

773
00:39:19,759 --> 00:39:16,380
would like to ask Dean Ashley about the

774
00:39:21,890 --> 00:39:19,769
topic of Michiyo kaku and what he said

775
00:39:25,190 --> 00:39:21,900
I'm going to read to you the quote just

776
00:39:28,630 --> 00:39:25,200
so you know what he said at the third

777
00:39:31,849 --> 00:39:28,640
annual UFO Congress in Barcelona Spain

778
00:39:33,829 --> 00:39:31,859
what he said was this the burden of

779
00:39:36,049 --> 00:39:33,839
proof has shifted to the government and

780
00:39:37,700 --> 00:39:36,059
the military now they have to prove that

781
00:39:40,730 --> 00:39:37,710
these sightings are not from outer space

782
00:39:43,190 --> 00:39:40,740
and another civilization several things

783
00:39:46,130 --> 00:39:43,200
have happened first we have video tapes

784
00:39:47,960 --> 00:39:46,140
video tapes have taken video tapes taken

785
00:39:50,779 --> 00:39:47,970
by United States Navy pilots that are

786
00:39:53,120 --> 00:39:50,789
testable we can now see and calculate

787
00:39:55,999 --> 00:39:53,130
how fast they move how fast they can

788
00:39:58,490 --> 00:39:56,009
zigzag what is the altitude we know the

789
00:40:00,259 --> 00:39:58,500
parameters of these objects now we

790
00:40:02,299 --> 00:40:00,269
didn't have that before and so this

791
00:40:04,819 --> 00:40:02,309
means that the burden of proof has

792
00:40:07,490 --> 00:40:04,829
shifted now the military the government

793
00:40:09,589 --> 00:40:07,500
has to prove that they are not from

794
00:40:14,499 --> 00:40:09,599
another planet the question I have for

795
00:40:17,930 --> 00:40:14,509
you Dean is this Mitch shukaku has put a

796
00:40:20,599 --> 00:40:17,940
from his perspective first world

797
00:40:23,420 --> 00:40:20,609
governments or the US government in the

798
00:40:26,990 --> 00:40:23,430
position of having to have the burden of

799
00:40:31,670 --> 00:40:27,000
proof regarding the UFO you a P topic

800
00:40:32,740 --> 00:40:31,680
what is your thought process on that hey

801
00:40:39,499 --> 00:40:32,750
how you doing

802
00:40:43,039 --> 00:40:39,509
yes your Ladin class okay great and I

803
00:40:44,120 --> 00:40:43,049
read his quote a while ago it's I'm kind

804
00:40:45,950 --> 00:40:44,130
of concerned as

805
00:40:49,820 --> 00:40:45,960
is the Navy going to take on that

806
00:40:53,360 --> 00:40:49,830
position and can they because from what

807
00:40:54,950 --> 00:40:53,370
I I'm just seeing as an observer is I

808
00:40:57,260 --> 00:40:54,960
don't think they're too familiar with

809
00:41:02,050 --> 00:40:57,270
what it is and I don't know exactly how

810
00:41:04,460 --> 00:41:02,060
much they can do as far as the videos

811
00:41:07,370 --> 00:41:04,470
being released you know that's a big

812
00:41:11,690 --> 00:41:07,380
step and I've talked to engineers and

813
00:41:14,930 --> 00:41:11,700
technicians in the field and amongst the

814
00:41:19,040 --> 00:41:14,940
majority of us we can't determine what

815
00:41:21,260 --> 00:41:19,050
it is how it's moving like that but you

816
00:41:23,930 --> 00:41:21,270
know we're not experts on aircraft

817
00:41:26,810 --> 00:41:23,940
movement and you know just we see what

818
00:41:32,030 --> 00:41:26,820
we see it is what it is but none of us

819
00:41:33,770 --> 00:41:32,040
can really just just classify what what

820
00:41:37,550 --> 00:41:33,780
these things are so I'm not sure how

821
00:41:39,740 --> 00:41:37,560
much the Navy can do very good insight

822
00:41:41,300 --> 00:41:39,750
thank you very much for sharing that now

823
00:41:45,130 --> 00:41:41,310
wanted to mention something by the way

824
00:41:48,830 --> 00:41:45,140
Dave Loomis is he still on with us I

825
00:41:55,700 --> 00:41:48,840
don't know if he's there but if he is I

826
00:41:58,130 --> 00:41:55,710
just want to hear how his audio is no I

827
00:42:00,800 --> 00:41:58,140
I do have a topic to move on it's very

828
00:42:02,630 --> 00:42:00,810
important present Donald Trump doesn't

829
00:42:04,220 --> 00:42:02,640
appear to be a believer of aliens or

830
00:42:05,660 --> 00:42:04,230
UFOs flying through the Earth's

831
00:42:07,100 --> 00:42:05,670
atmosphere I'm reading a USA Today

832
00:42:09,190 --> 00:42:07,110
article by the way just so you know

833
00:42:11,840 --> 00:42:09,200
although he has been briefed on them

834
00:42:13,550 --> 00:42:11,850
ABC's news George Stephanopoulos and a

835
00:42:15,620 --> 00:42:13,560
wide-ranging interview asked Trump about

836
00:42:17,660 --> 00:42:15,630
recent news reports about Navy pilots

837
00:42:20,300 --> 00:42:17,670
spotting flying objects and what he made

838
00:42:22,850 --> 00:42:20,310
of the apparent UFO sightings this is a

839
00:42:24,860 --> 00:42:22,860
quote attributed to Trump during that

840
00:42:28,430 --> 00:42:24,870
interview I want them to think whatever

841
00:42:30,110 --> 00:42:28,440
they think Trump said raising his

842
00:42:32,360 --> 00:42:30,120
eyebrows and slightly grinning before

843
00:42:34,460 --> 00:42:32,370
adding that he did not really that he

844
00:42:37,010 --> 00:42:34,470
had one really brief meeting on it

845
00:42:39,350 --> 00:42:37,020
people are saying they're seeing UFOs do

846
00:42:42,110 --> 00:42:39,360
I believe it not particularly he added

847
00:42:44,030 --> 00:42:42,120
now I do have a disclaimer to share with

848
00:42:47,000 --> 00:42:44,040
our panelists I would very much

849
00:42:51,440 --> 00:42:47,010
appreciate no jokes about the president

850
00:42:53,750 --> 00:42:51,450
this is not a joke a route the president

851
00:42:55,790 --> 00:42:53,760
we do not want that on this show we

852
00:42:58,070 --> 00:42:55,800
would like folks to please chime in on

853
00:43:01,100 --> 00:42:58,080
what they feel a

854
00:43:03,920 --> 00:43:01,110
Trump talking about the UFO topic and

855
00:43:07,040 --> 00:43:03,930
anything related to that topic I'd like

856
00:43:09,230 --> 00:43:07,050
to ask Jim man to please start off with

857
00:43:12,440 --> 00:43:09,240
that because I interviewed Stacey Wright

858
00:43:14,360 --> 00:43:12,450
and Jim man on this topic and they had

859
00:43:22,340 --> 00:43:14,370
some really interesting things to say

860
00:43:24,230 --> 00:43:22,350
Jim or Stacey hi this is Jim yeah as far

861
00:43:26,390 --> 00:43:24,240
as the president what is the president

862
00:43:28,610 --> 00:43:26,400
going to say you think about the

863
00:43:32,180 --> 00:43:28,620
responsibility that is on his shoulders

864
00:43:34,580 --> 00:43:32,190
and we're yep yeah I just added

865
00:43:41,050 --> 00:43:34,590
paulvickie yet okay all right great

866
00:43:44,300 --> 00:43:41,060
thank you keep going Jim sorry sorry

867
00:43:47,090 --> 00:43:44,310
about it doesn't make any difference is

868
00:43:50,840 --> 00:43:47,100
this is President Trump or some other

869
00:43:53,960 --> 00:43:50,850
president the responsible thing for a

870
00:43:56,650 --> 00:43:53,970
president to do at this point is he

871
00:43:59,630 --> 00:43:56,660
going to go on TV and national testing

872
00:44:02,600 --> 00:43:59,640
that there's technology out there that

873
00:44:04,250 --> 00:44:02,610
we can't deal with that we don't know

874
00:44:06,530 --> 00:44:04,260
how to deal with it and we don't know

875
00:44:09,620 --> 00:44:06,540
what it is would that be a responsible

876
00:44:11,960 --> 00:44:09,630
thing for any president to admit to the

877
00:44:15,380 --> 00:44:11,970
world no no that would not be the

878
00:44:16,820 --> 00:44:15,390
responsible thing so I don't think we

879
00:44:20,720 --> 00:44:16,830
need to look at the President of the

880
00:44:22,280 --> 00:44:20,730
United States what in terms of what is

881
00:44:25,040 --> 00:44:22,290
his opinion okay

882
00:44:26,810 --> 00:44:25,050
he's going to give you some regardless

883
00:44:29,600 --> 00:44:26,820
of who's and we all know this he's going

884
00:44:33,040 --> 00:44:29,610
to give you some really slacker opinion

885
00:44:35,990 --> 00:44:33,050
he just can't give you an honest opinion

886
00:44:41,600 --> 00:44:36,000
the people that we need to look to again

887
00:44:43,730 --> 00:44:41,610
are the volumes leaders country and so

888
00:44:45,830 --> 00:44:43,740
as far as from a political standpoint

889
00:44:51,380 --> 00:44:45,840
look we all know the United States right

890
00:44:52,970 --> 00:44:51,390
now is a is in a you guys I don't even

891
00:44:57,680 --> 00:44:52,980
know if there's words for what's going

892
00:45:03,890 --> 00:44:57,690
on right now but regardless of what your

893
00:45:07,960 --> 00:45:03,900
political views are we we have to stay

894
00:45:11,220 --> 00:45:07,970
focused on our mission and that is the

895
00:45:14,250 --> 00:45:11,230
scientific study of the UFO phenomena

896
00:45:18,450 --> 00:45:14,260
we keep focused okay so people like

897
00:45:20,880 --> 00:45:18,460
Donald Trump or you know whoever Nancy

898
00:45:22,980 --> 00:45:20,890
Pelosi or whoever it might be okay

899
00:45:25,830 --> 00:45:22,990
that's not a part of who we are right

900
00:45:29,280 --> 00:45:25,840
now so that's kind of the way I look at

901
00:45:32,820 --> 00:45:29,290
it guys whatever whatever whatever

902
00:45:36,090 --> 00:45:32,830
we hear on the on the news in terms of a

903
00:45:38,070 --> 00:45:36,100
political opinion I don't really care

904
00:45:40,320 --> 00:45:38,080
right now I'm looking for a scientific

905
00:45:45,599 --> 00:45:40,330
opinion I'm looking for sort of where

906
00:45:47,609 --> 00:45:45,609
the military stands on this okay thank

907
00:45:51,030 --> 00:45:47,619
you so much for your valuable input and

908
00:45:53,480 --> 00:45:51,040
Stacy we talked about this could you

909
00:45:57,510 --> 00:45:53,490
please share your perspective regarding

910
00:45:59,490 --> 00:45:57,520
the topic of Trump and UFOs and along

911
00:46:03,210 --> 00:45:59,500
those lines regarding when that news

912
00:46:05,040 --> 00:46:03,220
came out and how important it was well I

913
00:46:07,760 --> 00:46:05,050
was really disappointed when I watched

914
00:46:13,859 --> 00:46:07,770
him on TV with the smirk and the

915
00:46:15,840 --> 00:46:13,869
nonchalance topic I think we're all

916
00:46:17,820 --> 00:46:15,850
going oh yeah right I mean we all know

917
00:46:19,560 --> 00:46:17,830
better we know that he has been briefed

918
00:46:21,990 --> 00:46:19,570
on this stuff we know that he knows more

919
00:46:23,790 --> 00:46:22,000
than he's ever gonna say and like Jim

920
00:46:25,710 --> 00:46:23,800
said any president out there they're not

921
00:46:27,990 --> 00:46:25,720
kind of say much they just can't because

922
00:46:30,030 --> 00:46:28,000
and that would put them in a situation

923
00:46:31,890 --> 00:46:30,040
or a predicament where they have to back

924
00:46:34,530 --> 00:46:31,900
it up and they can't back it up with

925
00:46:36,780 --> 00:46:34,540
facts because things are classified so

926
00:46:39,900 --> 00:46:36,790
you can only go so far as president

927
00:46:43,620 --> 00:46:39,910
which is really sad sounding but I think

928
00:46:44,730 --> 00:46:43,630
it is the reality of this so yeah we're

929
00:46:46,349 --> 00:46:44,740
just gonna have to try to find our

930
00:46:49,380 --> 00:46:46,359
answers elsewhere it's not going to come

931
00:46:51,359 --> 00:46:49,390
from the president's lip okay I'm still

932
00:46:53,550 --> 00:46:51,369
asking for Dave Loomis to see if he's

933
00:46:56,070 --> 00:46:53,560
out there to talk with us if he is

934
00:46:57,690 --> 00:46:56,080
please interrupt at any time and just

935
00:47:00,599 --> 00:46:57,700
let us know you're there that way we can

936
00:47:02,940 --> 00:47:00,609
ask you about this topic wanted to ask

937
00:47:06,450 --> 00:47:02,950
if any one of our panelists wants to

938
00:47:10,140 --> 00:47:06,460
jump in and talk about this Trump slash

939
00:47:12,599 --> 00:47:10,150
UFO topic when this news came out how

940
00:47:14,040 --> 00:47:12,609
did you feel about it what was your gut

941
00:47:16,980 --> 00:47:14,050
feeling on it and what are your

942
00:47:20,460 --> 00:47:16,990
perspectives to share on it anyone this

943
00:47:23,160 --> 00:47:20,470
is al you know I don't know if anybody

944
00:47:26,839 --> 00:47:23,170
you know I I was watching ancient aliens

945
00:47:32,819 --> 00:47:29,339
we will hold it against your older words

946
00:47:34,799 --> 00:47:32,829
but they had Tucker Carlson on and they

947
00:47:37,559 --> 00:47:34,809
were talking with Tucker about this very

948
00:47:40,049 --> 00:47:37,569
subject and Tucker who usually will

949
00:47:43,769 --> 00:47:40,059
pretty much back anything that the

950
00:47:46,140 --> 00:47:43,779
president will say Tucker's opinion was

951
00:47:48,960 --> 00:47:46,150
was well you know watch his body

952
00:47:50,609 --> 00:47:48,970
language his body language isn't really

953
00:47:52,559 --> 00:47:50,619
going along with what his mouth is

954
00:47:54,870 --> 00:47:52,569
saying you know he was kind of hemming

955
00:47:56,789 --> 00:47:54,880
and hawing around it and you could tell

956
00:47:58,920 --> 00:47:56,799
that he didn't want to be even

957
00:48:01,640 --> 00:47:58,930
addressing the subject and Tucker said

958
00:48:04,700 --> 00:48:01,650
that he felt like he was he was not

959
00:48:07,920 --> 00:48:04,710
being forthcoming about the actual

960
00:48:09,539 --> 00:48:07,930
information you know you look at other

961
00:48:12,029 --> 00:48:09,549
presidents yeah I just to jump in or a

962
00:48:15,799 --> 00:48:12,039
lot as well as Stephanopoulos Tucker

963
00:48:18,420 --> 00:48:15,809
Carlson did ask the president about the

964
00:48:20,849 --> 00:48:18,430
yeah he did ask him directly in an

965
00:48:24,870 --> 00:48:20,859
interview yeah Tucker didn't think he

966
00:48:28,470 --> 00:48:24,880
was being forthcoming you know I mean

967
00:48:31,019 --> 00:48:28,480
people like we know that Bill Clinton

968
00:48:32,759 --> 00:48:31,029
had an interest in the subject and he

969
00:48:34,230 --> 00:48:32,769
claimed that they never gave him the

970
00:48:36,180 --> 00:48:34,240
information which i think is

971
00:48:39,470 --> 00:48:36,190
questionable

972
00:48:42,210 --> 00:48:39,480
you know Ford had an interest in the

973
00:48:44,940 --> 00:48:42,220
phenomena as well and and he never came

974
00:48:48,990 --> 00:48:44,950
forward with the information Ronald

975
00:48:50,039 --> 00:48:49,000
Reagan I mean there were a lot that you

976
00:48:53,009 --> 00:48:50,049
know Reagan may have been the most

977
00:48:54,390 --> 00:48:53,019
forthcoming of all with his speech in

978
00:48:57,660 --> 00:48:54,400
front of the United Nations where he

979
00:49:00,539 --> 00:48:57,670
talked about how you know if there was

980
00:49:02,999 --> 00:49:00,549
an outside threat you know humans would

981
00:49:04,680 --> 00:49:03,009
drop their acrimony

982
00:49:06,990 --> 00:49:04,690
towards each other really quickly and

983
00:49:08,759 --> 00:49:07,000
and but maybe it's something that the

984
00:49:11,490 --> 00:49:08,769
president is just told you know you

985
00:49:16,410 --> 00:49:11,500
can't you simply can't bring this up

986
00:49:17,370 --> 00:49:16,420
it's just too thorny of a situation you

987
00:49:20,370 --> 00:49:17,380
know I mean what's he going to say you

988
00:49:22,259 --> 00:49:20,380
know abductions are real you know I mean

989
00:49:23,849 --> 00:49:22,269
we don't know what you know it there's

990
00:49:26,549 --> 00:49:23,859
stuff in there that could really scare

991
00:49:28,170 --> 00:49:26,559
people so maybe this drip drip sort of

992
00:49:31,349 --> 00:49:28,180
disclosure is the best we're going to

993
00:49:35,450 --> 00:49:31,359
get right and I'd like to hear from

994
00:49:40,940 --> 00:49:38,599
Shayne here yeah you know I agree that

995
00:49:42,710 --> 00:49:40,950
the president is not the person that

996
00:49:44,900 --> 00:49:42,720
were likely going to hear this from

997
00:49:48,849 --> 00:49:44,910
because of the you know politically

998
00:49:52,190 --> 00:49:48,859
complicated nature of that that question

999
00:50:00,019 --> 00:49:52,200
but I think Jim was mentioning earlier

1000
00:50:03,470 --> 00:50:00,029
as we you know making overtures we see

1001
00:50:05,779 --> 00:50:03,480
scientists such as Michio Kaku and now

1002
00:50:07,670 --> 00:50:05,789
mainstream media treating the subject

1003
00:50:10,819 --> 00:50:07,680
with you know a certain degree of

1004
00:50:12,859 --> 00:50:10,829
credibility and I think that's what

1005
00:50:16,640 --> 00:50:12,869
that's the most impactful because in the

1006
00:50:18,710 --> 00:50:16,650
end whose opinion really matters to all

1007
00:50:22,099 --> 00:50:18,720
these groups whether it's politicians

1008
00:50:24,739 --> 00:50:22,109
media the military is what do the people

1009
00:50:27,170 --> 00:50:24,749
think what do we the people think about

1010
00:50:29,839 --> 00:50:27,180
the matter and so this is why they're

1011
00:50:32,029 --> 00:50:29,849
very cagey with the information is

1012
00:50:35,210 --> 00:50:32,039
because of the potential impact on the

1013
00:50:36,890 --> 00:50:35,220
people and how we might react so and and

1014
00:50:39,140 --> 00:50:36,900
I understand you know the whole patel

1015
00:50:41,390 --> 00:50:39,150
institute thing and thinking chaos might

1016
00:50:44,420 --> 00:50:41,400
ensue and all these things but i think

1017
00:50:46,009 --> 00:50:44,430
we're probably you know in a period of

1018
00:50:48,410 --> 00:50:46,019
time where that's not going to happen

1019
00:50:51,470 --> 00:50:48,420
we're just completely saturated with

1020
00:50:53,420 --> 00:50:51,480
information 24/7 and it's bound to come

1021
00:50:55,069 --> 00:50:53,430
out and it's bound to happen but I think

1022
00:50:57,140 --> 00:50:55,079
people are gonna be able to handle it

1023
00:50:58,880 --> 00:50:57,150
but I guess that I think you know

1024
00:51:01,279 --> 00:50:58,890
looking for the president to come out

1025
00:51:05,150 --> 00:51:01,289
and say it's just not a reality but

1026
00:51:06,920 --> 00:51:05,160
these other avenues it should leak out

1027
00:51:09,470 --> 00:51:06,930
drip out and then when it becomes safe

1028
00:51:11,509 --> 00:51:09,480
enough for those people to come out and

1029
00:51:14,779 --> 00:51:11,519
confirm you know I think that will

1030
00:51:17,329 --> 00:51:14,789
happen great and uh Steve Hudgens if

1031
00:51:20,029 --> 00:51:17,339
you're there please let us know what you

1032
00:51:21,170 --> 00:51:20,039
think regarding this topic you're not

1033
00:51:24,220 --> 00:51:21,180
gonna hear anything coming from the

1034
00:51:27,259 --> 00:51:24,230
president until he just has to their own

1035
00:51:29,390 --> 00:51:27,269
they're bound by security not to say

1036
00:51:32,509 --> 00:51:29,400
anything about it but that that have to

1037
00:51:34,910 --> 00:51:32,519
ask yourself what's the problem with it

1038
00:51:37,069 --> 00:51:34,920
is it from outer space or is it just a

1039
00:51:39,410 --> 00:51:37,079
security about what we have in the

1040
00:51:40,999 --> 00:51:39,420
United States that might be the UFO

1041
00:51:41,529 --> 00:51:41,009
surrounding the world looking at

1042
00:51:43,700 --> 00:51:41,539
everything

1043
00:51:45,710 --> 00:51:43,710
most signing reports come from the

1044
00:51:49,250 --> 00:51:45,720
United States and a few select countries

1045
00:51:51,440 --> 00:51:49,260
over in Europe so I

1046
00:51:53,870 --> 00:51:51,450
I'm still not convinced that all these

1047
00:51:56,450 --> 00:51:53,880
UFOs are from outer space that's just

1048
00:51:58,990 --> 00:51:56,460
the way I look at it okay are you

1049
00:52:02,210 --> 00:51:59,000
convinced that any of the marsh Steve I

1050
00:52:05,210 --> 00:52:02,220
would think that I look at it this way

1051
00:52:06,830 --> 00:52:05,220
here you have a superior race because

1052
00:52:10,040 --> 00:52:06,840
they have to be superior to get here and

1053
00:52:12,710 --> 00:52:10,050
the vast distances and the whatever

1054
00:52:14,599 --> 00:52:12,720
they're like just like say okay Here I

1055
00:52:16,670 --> 00:52:14,609
am a million years in the future and I

1056
00:52:19,430 --> 00:52:16,680
go to this backward planet of apes and I

1057
00:52:22,670 --> 00:52:19,440
have my only way of getting back home

1058
00:52:25,010 --> 00:52:22,680
and I fly over these Planet of the Apes

1059
00:52:26,630 --> 00:52:25,020
with their guns and their missiles and

1060
00:52:29,000 --> 00:52:26,640
their jet planes so they could damage my

1061
00:52:31,460 --> 00:52:29,010
vehicle before I can't get home no I'm

1062
00:52:34,970 --> 00:52:31,470
going to be invisible that's what I'm

1063
00:52:42,740 --> 00:52:34,980
going to be that's about all I can say

1064
00:52:43,780 --> 00:52:42,750
about it dirty and anyone else want to

1065
00:52:46,849 --> 00:52:43,790
jump in here

1066
00:52:53,930 --> 00:52:46,859
well Vecchia you've joined us what do

1067
00:52:56,090 --> 00:52:53,940
you have to say about all this well yeah

1068
00:52:59,060 --> 00:52:56,100
yep thanks for joining us all right

1069
00:53:02,170 --> 00:52:59,070
thank you for having me on I guess I'm

1070
00:53:05,450 --> 00:53:02,180
on another plane with the folks I

1071
00:53:08,240 --> 00:53:05,460
understand disclosure it's a it's a

1072
00:53:12,140 --> 00:53:08,250
noble cause and there's an idealism

1073
00:53:14,060 --> 00:53:12,150
about disclosure where we feel that once

1074
00:53:18,940 --> 00:53:14,070
there is disclosure then there's

1075
00:53:39,550 --> 00:53:30,680
our society and I feel that main reason

1076
00:53:50,660 --> 00:53:45,790
inherently violent we are surgical RuPt

1077
00:53:52,630 --> 00:53:50,670
materialistic and worst of all today

1078
00:53:56,000 --> 00:53:52,640
throughout history we have exhibited

1079
00:53:59,900 --> 00:53:56,010
penchant being genocide --all so the

1080
00:54:02,240 --> 00:53:59,910
hypothesis should be that if we were to

1081
00:54:03,140 --> 00:54:02,250
gain their technology in some way

1082
00:54:05,690 --> 00:54:03,150
through a treaty

1083
00:54:07,520 --> 00:54:05,700
or something like that we would

1084
00:54:09,790 --> 00:54:07,530
eventually use that technology and

1085
00:54:14,420 --> 00:54:09,800
weaponize it and use it against them and

1086
00:54:20,800 --> 00:54:14,430
our materialism would take over in the

1087
00:54:24,110 --> 00:54:20,810
name of manifest destiny okay thank you

1088
00:54:28,520 --> 00:54:24,120
Steve Bassett has joined us so Steve at

1089
00:54:31,460 --> 00:54:28,530
can you hear me hello Steve

1090
00:54:35,150 --> 00:54:31,470
I think he's cutting up a little bit for

1091
00:54:38,230 --> 00:54:35,160
some reason Steve on me you're right

1092
00:54:41,060 --> 00:54:38,240
there yeah that's okay I can grab my

1093
00:54:44,080 --> 00:54:41,070
okay what is your what is your thought

1094
00:54:47,300 --> 00:54:44,090
process on what we're talking about here

1095
00:54:51,170 --> 00:54:47,310
well first of all I do believe the

1096
00:54:55,250 --> 00:54:51,180
public in general is still really

1097
00:54:57,110 --> 00:54:55,260
constricted by perceptions of threat and

1098
00:55:00,530 --> 00:54:57,120
I think that's really where our

1099
00:55:02,270 --> 00:55:00,540
government and the military that's the

1100
00:55:03,830 --> 00:55:02,280
same stance that they take because

1101
00:55:07,820 --> 00:55:03,840
they're there for our protection and

1102
00:55:09,980 --> 00:55:07,830
ultimately they have to look at anything

1103
00:55:13,790 --> 00:55:09,990
that could be perceived as a threat no

1104
00:55:16,880 --> 00:55:13,800
matter how trite it might appear and so

1105
00:55:18,740 --> 00:55:16,890
in order to you know go beyond that to

1106
00:55:22,660 --> 00:55:18,750
release anything and talk about it

1107
00:55:26,740 --> 00:55:22,670
openly they're risking mass hysteria and

1108
00:55:29,300 --> 00:55:26,750
the public I believe is still in that

1109
00:55:33,860 --> 00:55:29,310
state of mind so to speak we haven't

1110
00:55:38,060 --> 00:55:33,870
learned to just look observe inquire and

1111
00:55:42,140 --> 00:55:38,070
not feel threatened by the unknown you

1112
00:55:46,670 --> 00:55:42,150
know the for ages through you know all

1113
00:55:49,790 --> 00:55:46,680
kinds of different not just spiritual or

1114
00:55:52,550 --> 00:55:49,800
religious the industries are you know we

1115
00:55:59,320 --> 00:55:52,560
have this penchant for seeing the worst

1116
00:56:06,380 --> 00:56:02,510
part of what's taking place I believe is

1117
00:56:08,600 --> 00:56:06,390
the movement away from that where it's

1118
00:56:10,490 --> 00:56:08,610
becoming a topic of discussion people

1119
00:56:12,980 --> 00:56:10,500
are being more open about it a lot of

1120
00:56:15,320 --> 00:56:12,990
the experiences are now coming forward

1121
00:56:16,880 --> 00:56:15,330
and I've been doing this for over 30

1122
00:56:19,420 --> 00:56:16,890
years and

1123
00:56:23,570 --> 00:56:19,430
felt like an outlier and still do

1124
00:56:26,120 --> 00:56:23,580
because of that but that's okay because

1125
00:56:28,220 --> 00:56:26,130
that's the nature of the business we're

1126
00:56:31,040 --> 00:56:28,230
in right we're pushing the envelope

1127
00:56:32,900 --> 00:56:31,050
we're asking questions we're sharing

1128
00:56:35,780 --> 00:56:32,910
experiences we may not be able to

1129
00:56:38,060 --> 00:56:35,790
explain exactly what those experiences

1130
00:56:41,050 --> 00:56:38,070
are but yet we're doing our best to

1131
00:56:45,380 --> 00:56:41,060
articulate our perceptions of them and

1132
00:56:48,560 --> 00:56:45,390
then attempt to be least be open for

1133
00:56:50,600 --> 00:56:48,570
inquiry and trying to take a more of an

1134
00:56:53,780 --> 00:56:50,610
objective observational view of the

1135
00:56:56,300 --> 00:56:53,790
possibilities and and expand in that

1136
00:57:00,920 --> 00:56:56,310
nature which i think is also happening

1137
00:57:03,050 --> 00:57:00,930
as far as the the data and how we're

1138
00:57:05,210 --> 00:57:03,060
looking at that and maybe the perception

1139
00:57:06,770 --> 00:57:05,220
of how maybe the military enter

1140
00:57:09,110 --> 00:57:06,780
government's looking at it behind the

1141
00:57:12,110 --> 00:57:09,120
scenes but they're unable to speak to us

1142
00:57:16,100 --> 00:57:12,120
about it just because the nature of the

1143
00:57:18,500 --> 00:57:16,110
beast right there it's just almost

1144
00:57:22,730 --> 00:57:18,510
impossible for them to do so and still

1145
00:57:28,160 --> 00:57:22,740
hold the credibility of the office okay

1146
00:57:30,230 --> 00:57:28,170
we have a research and history and Paul

1147
00:57:34,070 --> 00:57:30,240
Dean on with us Paul Dean welcome to

1148
00:57:42,080 --> 00:57:34,080
this show we are talking about a few

1149
00:57:44,240 --> 00:57:42,090
topics what was the input XI proof is

1150
00:57:46,190 --> 00:57:44,250
now on the US government you provided

1151
00:57:48,710 --> 00:57:46,200
more information on that topic and we're

1152
00:57:50,750 --> 00:57:48,720
also talking about how Trump gave some

1153
00:57:52,040 --> 00:57:50,760
input regarding the UFO topic if you

1154
00:57:58,520 --> 00:57:52,050
want to talk about either one of those

1155
00:57:59,630 --> 00:57:58,530
topics that would be great Paul are you

1156
00:58:01,490 --> 00:57:59,640
there can you hear me

1157
00:58:03,500 --> 00:58:01,500
you might want to unmute your mic if you

1158
00:58:07,880 --> 00:58:03,510
heard me okay can you hear me or not

1159
00:58:09,950 --> 00:58:07,890
yeah yeah great okay so Eric and both

1160
00:58:11,570 --> 00:58:09,960
were probably off-the-cuff comments you

1161
00:58:13,880 --> 00:58:11,580
got to remember someone like me shikoku

1162
00:58:16,670 --> 00:58:13,890
is is just constantly physically

1163
00:58:18,080 --> 00:58:16,680
speaking like just constantly physically

1164
00:58:22,400 --> 00:58:18,090
talking like opening up wings of

1165
00:58:24,260 --> 00:58:22,410
universe do some listening if having

1166
00:58:26,420 --> 00:58:24,270
dog-and-pony shows at tum its

1167
00:58:28,010 --> 00:58:26,430
observatories and and whatever else and

1168
00:58:29,900 --> 00:58:28,020
like it's very very easy for someone to

1169
00:58:32,539 --> 00:58:29,910
say something that lasts for force

1170
00:58:37,579 --> 00:58:32,549
seconds and and bunnies like us take it

1171
00:58:40,609 --> 00:58:37,589
as some as being you know just somewhat

1172
00:58:42,140 --> 00:58:40,619
critical importance I I mean it was a

1173
00:58:43,099 --> 00:58:42,150
gourd it was a really good statement and

1174
00:58:46,579 --> 00:58:43,109
you know like he's on the right track

1175
00:58:48,589 --> 00:58:46,589
but you know we shouldn't I wouldn't be

1176
00:58:54,079 --> 00:58:48,599
giggling like schoolgirls being asked

1177
00:58:57,170 --> 00:58:54,089
out to the prom over it's pathetic it's

1178
00:58:59,000 --> 00:58:57,180
it's it's trumps comments it again

1179
00:59:01,279 --> 00:58:59,010
completely irrelevant what he actually

1180
00:59:03,559 --> 00:59:01,289
said was it was was was was in in

1181
00:59:06,230 --> 00:59:03,569
dissent in that he said he said do I

1182
00:59:08,059 --> 00:59:06,240
believe where he was talking about UFO

1183
00:59:10,579 --> 00:59:08,069
witnesses and he said do I believe them

1184
00:59:13,599 --> 00:59:10,589
not particularly okay do I believe them

1185
00:59:16,160 --> 00:59:13,609
not particularly okay so that's that's

1186
00:59:20,720 --> 00:59:16,170
again a four second comment completely

1187
00:59:23,809 --> 00:59:20,730
irrelevant okay we have Steve Bassett

1188
00:59:25,460 --> 00:59:23,819
who who has joined us a few times he's

1189
00:59:28,039 --> 00:59:25,470
had a few audio issues but we're gonna

1190
00:59:29,510 --> 00:59:28,049
see if he's doing okay now and Paul

1191
00:59:31,819 --> 00:59:29,520
thank you very much for the input on

1192
00:59:35,500 --> 00:59:31,829
that and Steve what we were asking about

1193
00:59:41,630 --> 00:59:35,510
were two topics during the show

1194
00:59:43,339 --> 00:59:41,640
one was the new Kaku had on the UFO

1195
00:59:45,650 --> 00:59:43,349
topic and how the burden of proof lies

1196
00:59:49,130 --> 00:59:45,660
with the US government regarding that

1197
00:59:51,650 --> 00:59:49,140
topic and then also the topic of Donald

1198
00:59:54,470 --> 00:59:51,660
Trump a president Trump when he gave a

1199
00:59:56,299 --> 00:59:54,480
few quotes regarding the UFO topic and

1200
00:59:58,430 --> 00:59:56,309
he was on the news this year regarding

1201
01:00:05,990 --> 00:59:58,440
the UFO topic do you have any input to

1202
01:00:07,370 --> 01:00:06,000
give on those two topics I don't know if

1203
01:00:13,220 --> 01:00:07,380
you can hear me see but if you're Mike's

1204
01:00:15,650 --> 01:00:13,230
mute you might want to unmute it yeah

1205
01:00:19,039 --> 01:00:15,660
I'm not getting any audio from him but

1206
01:00:21,049 --> 01:00:19,049
we will go ahead and try from him and he

1207
01:00:23,420 --> 01:00:21,059
is not on the call so that's the issue

1208
01:00:25,910 --> 01:00:23,430
there yes so Steve you're on with us you

1209
01:00:28,370 --> 01:00:25,920
just asked you are actually on on the

1210
01:00:31,099 --> 01:00:28,380
call with us right now with our panel of

1211
01:00:34,849 --> 01:00:31,109
guests if you can unmute your mic and

1212
01:00:37,370 --> 01:00:34,859
stay on audio not video and when you

1213
01:00:39,079 --> 01:00:37,380
come through just let us know Frank were

1214
01:00:40,839 --> 01:00:39,089
there any other topics that you wanted

1215
01:00:42,799 --> 01:00:40,849
to bring up about the news this year

1216
01:00:43,760 --> 01:00:42,809
well I thought what I thought was that

1217
01:00:46,010 --> 01:00:43,770
kind of injury

1218
01:00:48,380 --> 01:00:46,020
is as we've seen this pattern over the

1219
01:00:49,970 --> 01:00:48,390
last couple of years the first half of

1220
01:00:52,790 --> 01:00:49,980
the year tends to get a little busier

1221
01:00:56,000 --> 01:00:52,800
and then the second half slows up there

1222
01:00:58,040 --> 01:00:56,010
hasn't been a whole lot of but a big

1223
01:00:59,930 --> 01:00:58,050
news coming down the pike really since

1224
01:01:03,650 --> 01:00:59,940
the unidentified show went off the air

1225
01:01:06,470 --> 01:01:03,660
and I was wondering if anybody has any

1226
01:01:08,990 --> 01:01:06,480
thoughts you think there's like a an off

1227
01:01:11,330 --> 01:01:09,000
season now for a UFO stuff and that we

1228
01:01:13,760 --> 01:01:11,340
kind of scrambled to get some shows done

1229
01:01:15,109 --> 01:01:13,770
and now cover some hot topics during

1230
01:01:16,760 --> 01:01:15,119
some part of the year and then another

1231
01:01:19,850 --> 01:01:16,770
part of the year we can barely keep up

1232
01:01:21,620 --> 01:01:19,860
it seems like the last two years things

1233
01:01:23,570 --> 01:01:21,630
have slowed noticeably during the last

1234
01:01:30,350 --> 01:01:23,580
half of the year any any thoughts on

1235
01:01:36,650 --> 01:01:30,360
that yeah absolutely Jen go ahead okay

1236
01:01:41,750 --> 01:01:36,660
as far as news as recent news Chris

1237
01:01:48,440 --> 01:01:41,760
Markowski is sending his material to the

1238
01:01:54,250 --> 01:01:48,450
University of Manitoba now what he is

1239
01:01:58,609 --> 01:01:54,260
what he is the point of contact for

1240
01:02:01,970 --> 01:01:58,619
official UFOs in Canada so the Canadian

1241
01:02:05,470 --> 01:02:01,980
government sends him all well the

1242
01:02:10,609 --> 01:02:05,480
Canadian government sends him UFO

1243
01:02:12,410 --> 01:02:10,619
reports and he said this is it's almost

1244
01:02:14,960 --> 01:02:12,420
up to the minute he just got one a

1245
01:02:20,560 --> 01:02:14,970
little while ago which turned out to be

1246
01:02:23,330 --> 01:02:20,570
a drone where they claimed to be and

1247
01:02:29,990 --> 01:02:23,340
just before that he told me he got one

1248
01:02:38,590 --> 01:02:30,000
from 2018 which was over Northwest

1249
01:02:44,660 --> 01:02:38,600
Territories by airline that had a low

1250
01:02:48,050 --> 01:02:44,670
UFO going Mach four and that's that's

1251
01:02:51,170 --> 01:02:48,060
about a year old but he's turning all

1252
01:02:54,230 --> 01:02:51,180
his material over to mana Manitoba so

1253
01:02:56,540 --> 01:02:54,240
this is I think this is a really

1254
01:02:57,270 --> 01:02:56,550
interesting thing because he's been

1255
01:02:59,980 --> 01:02:57,280
getting

1256
01:03:03,580 --> 01:02:59,990
material from the u s-- government for

1257
01:03:07,930 --> 01:03:03,590
years and i hopefully will be able to

1258
01:03:09,820 --> 01:03:07,940
get of course the australians have more

1259
01:03:14,230 --> 01:03:09,830
or less open their files and the Brits

1260
01:03:16,300 --> 01:03:14,240
have opened their files the Americans as

1261
01:03:22,080 --> 01:03:16,310
far as freedom of information were it

1262
01:03:24,570 --> 01:03:22,090
we're about number ten in in the in that

1263
01:03:28,620 --> 01:03:24,580
arena

1264
01:03:33,820 --> 01:03:31,900
all right thanks I appreciated jet

1265
01:03:35,830 --> 01:03:33,830
now that case with the end of the mock

1266
01:03:38,650 --> 01:03:35,840
for that's about three thousand miles an

1267
01:03:40,750 --> 01:03:38,660
hour that's a not too many airplanes can

1268
01:03:41,590 --> 01:03:40,760
go at that kind of speed that wouldn't

1269
01:03:45,880 --> 01:03:41,600
gets my attention

1270
01:03:49,000 --> 01:03:45,890
yes it's not Tic Tac speed but it's

1271
01:03:52,030 --> 01:03:49,010
pretty it's pretty good and of course I

1272
01:03:53,590 --> 01:03:52,040
was talking to some of these people that

1273
01:03:57,310 --> 01:03:53,600
are interested in it you know they're

1274
01:04:00,660 --> 01:03:57,320
trying to oh well so what mock for look

1275
01:04:03,849 --> 01:04:00,670
at this mock thirty with Tic Tac listen

1276
01:04:09,520 --> 01:04:03,859
anything like this it's it's it's way

1277
01:04:11,950 --> 01:04:09,530
out of the normal arena things and I

1278
01:04:15,940 --> 01:04:11,960
think this is a would be a significant

1279
01:04:21,550 --> 01:04:15,950
case now it's only a service case so

1280
01:04:25,330 --> 01:04:21,560
it's not detailed it's just one of those

1281
01:04:27,760 --> 01:04:25,340
you know the old Janet 1:46 things were

1282
01:04:35,710 --> 01:04:27,770
you know the just the bare amount of

1283
01:04:39,280 --> 01:04:35,720
information is is put forward but III

1284
01:04:42,099 --> 01:04:39,290
feel I feel that this the government up

1285
01:04:45,430 --> 01:04:42,109
there finally letting go of this stuff

1286
01:04:49,090 --> 01:04:45,440
and Chris being able to put it in the in

1287
01:04:51,820 --> 01:04:49,100
the university is great okay thank you

1288
01:04:54,730 --> 01:04:51,830
very much can I just can I just jump in

1289
01:04:57,070 --> 01:04:54,740
there oh thank you this is Paul Dean hi

1290
01:04:59,380 --> 01:04:57,080
Jane how you um yeah Jen's absolutely

1291
01:05:01,480 --> 01:04:59,390
spot on I love by the way you're a

1292
01:05:03,910 --> 01:05:01,490
little bit loud just so you know your

1293
01:05:05,950 --> 01:05:03,920
volume is very loud okay well I don't

1294
01:05:09,470 --> 01:05:05,960
know how to turn down that yeah you're

1295
01:05:13,190 --> 01:05:09,480
fine you're fine you're fine anyway um

1296
01:05:16,040 --> 01:05:13,200
Jan was yes Oh Jan was just saying

1297
01:05:18,680 --> 01:05:16,050
something pretty important is that yeah

1298
01:05:21,470 --> 01:05:18,690
indeed Chris Rakowski is well Chris

1299
01:05:23,000 --> 01:05:21,480
Chris's there Chris's their civilian I

1300
01:05:24,440 --> 01:05:23,010
mean he's pushed and pushed and pushed

1301
01:05:27,130 --> 01:05:24,450
the Department of Transport and the

1302
01:05:29,390 --> 01:05:27,140
Royal Canadian Air Force and Canada's

1303
01:05:30,800 --> 01:05:29,400
Canada's half of the North American

1304
01:05:33,950 --> 01:05:30,810
Aerospace Defense Command out of

1305
01:05:37,609 --> 01:05:33,960
Winnipeg sorry out of Sudbury for

1306
01:05:41,990 --> 01:05:37,619
essentially like basic UFO cases and I

1307
01:05:44,690 --> 01:05:42,000
mean it so Chris Chris gets copies of

1308
01:05:46,210 --> 01:05:44,700
what Jan just mentioned which service

1309
01:05:49,910 --> 01:05:46,220
reports service stands for

1310
01:05:51,800 --> 01:05:49,920
communications yeah its communications

1311
01:05:54,170 --> 01:05:51,810
instructions for reporting vital

1312
01:05:56,300 --> 01:05:54,180
intelligence sightings which is a system

1313
01:06:00,319 --> 01:05:56,310
it's a radio call-in system it actually

1314
01:06:02,839 --> 01:06:00,329
dates back to 1953 and it used to be

1315
01:06:04,520 --> 01:06:02,849
placed within a huge publication that

1316
01:06:06,589 --> 01:06:04,530
was jointly published by the Canadian

1317
01:06:09,319 --> 01:06:06,599
government and the and the US Joint

1318
01:06:13,790 --> 01:06:09,329
Chiefs of Staff had called a joint Army

1319
01:06:15,650 --> 01:06:13,800
Air Force Navy protocol 146 anyway so so

1320
01:06:20,210 --> 01:06:15,660
the so a pilot can call him a service

1321
01:06:23,059 --> 01:06:20,220
report and and indeed a pilot did call

1322
01:06:24,950 --> 01:06:23,069
in the it was parent know if was a part

1323
01:06:26,359 --> 01:06:24,960
that called it in but it was it was from

1324
01:06:28,370 --> 01:06:26,369
officialdom where there was a mac for

1325
01:06:30,740 --> 01:06:28,380
object going across Canada which like

1326
01:06:34,010 --> 01:06:30,750
Jan says is is absolutely incredible and

1327
01:06:37,099 --> 01:06:34,020
when you take say say say in the 70s 80s

1328
01:06:41,000 --> 01:06:37,109
the Soviet Union's fastest combat jet

1329
01:06:42,859 --> 01:06:41,010
went at two points sorry went at some

1330
01:06:45,620 --> 01:06:42,869
point eight Mac and if it went any

1331
01:06:47,690 --> 01:06:45,630
faster its engines up you know something

1332
01:06:51,079 --> 01:06:47,700
like an f15 Eagle II model can go up

1333
01:06:55,940 --> 01:06:51,089
like two point two so so MUC for just to

1334
01:07:00,559 --> 01:06:55,950
give you an idea three-plus yeah yeah

1335
01:07:03,170 --> 01:07:00,569
the sr-71 can hit roughly Mach 3 most

1336
01:07:04,520 --> 01:07:03,180
gives us an idea very famous in rice

1337
01:07:06,050 --> 01:07:04,530
trials and it shouldn't do it it just

1338
01:07:08,809 --> 01:07:06,060
should not do that blow its engines up

1339
01:07:10,940 --> 01:07:08,819
so Mac for or anything even like Mac for

1340
01:07:12,559 --> 01:07:10,950
just to be look unannounced just to be

1341
01:07:13,490 --> 01:07:12,569
literally flying across you know the

1342
01:07:16,069 --> 01:07:13,500
Canadian wilderness

1343
01:07:18,740 --> 01:07:16,079
so everyone to see right like Christmas

1344
01:07:20,480 --> 01:07:18,750
tree is is really really crazy like the

1345
01:07:22,130 --> 01:07:20,490
D and the other thing is about Chris

1346
01:07:23,390 --> 01:07:22,140
Rakowski I talked to Chris Markowski a

1347
01:07:25,569 --> 01:07:23,400
lot and hey you got

1348
01:07:28,910 --> 01:07:25,579
understand that internally we're NORAD's

1349
01:07:32,000 --> 01:07:28,920
internal raid us like NORAD's NORAD's

1350
01:07:34,099 --> 01:07:32,010
Nora sorry Canada's role in NORAD starts

1351
01:07:36,620 --> 01:07:34,109
off with what we call a first innovation

1352
01:07:38,510 --> 01:07:36,630
Canada which is which is a first fighter

1353
01:07:40,339 --> 01:07:38,520
combat surveillance unit and it's dotted

1354
01:07:43,579 --> 01:07:40,349
all over the country Chris doesn't get

1355
01:07:45,529 --> 01:07:43,589
Chris doesn't get like up-to-date minute

1356
01:07:46,700 --> 01:07:45,539
by minute radar tracking this of unknown

1357
01:07:48,529 --> 01:07:46,710
tracks and NORAD remaining unknown

1358
01:07:52,460 --> 01:07:48,539
targets they're all classified what

1359
01:07:54,559 --> 01:07:52,470
Chris gets is sort of like is is non

1360
01:07:57,319 --> 01:07:54,569
internal stuff so so so reports

1361
01:07:59,079 --> 01:07:57,329
delivered to the so that meteoric Sophos

1362
01:08:01,609 --> 01:07:59,089
to the National Defense Council people

1363
01:08:03,740 --> 01:08:01,619
Department of Transport

1364
01:08:05,180 --> 01:08:03,750
you know Royal Canadian Air Force Office

1365
01:08:10,760 --> 01:08:05,190
public information that sort of thing

1366
01:08:13,010 --> 01:08:10,770
yeah thank you very much Paul for that

1367
01:08:15,859 --> 01:08:13,020
input Frank I would like to bring in dr.

1368
01:08:18,769 --> 01:08:15,869
irina scott she's an author of many

1369
01:08:22,160 --> 01:08:18,779
different kinds of novels one I think is

1370
01:08:26,390 --> 01:08:22,170
on Ohio history the other is on our on

1371
01:08:28,309 --> 01:08:26,400
the UFO topic and dr. arenas Scott we

1372
01:08:28,610 --> 01:08:28,319
covered a couple of topics on the show

1373
01:08:31,669 --> 01:08:28,620
today

1374
01:08:34,189 --> 01:08:31,679
and those topics covered dr. michio kaku

1375
01:08:36,620 --> 01:08:34,199
xinput on the UFO topic at the third

1376
01:08:39,800 --> 01:08:36,630
international UFO congress and barcelona

1377
01:08:43,309 --> 01:08:39,810
spain and the other one was a president

1378
01:08:45,829 --> 01:08:43,319
Trump chiming in a little bit on the UFO

1379
01:08:47,390 --> 01:08:45,839
topic and the UFO topic was in

1380
01:08:49,880 --> 01:08:47,400
mainstream news a little bit this year

1381
01:08:52,099 --> 01:08:49,890
can you chime in on any of those topics

1382
01:08:53,630 --> 01:08:52,109
and you might have your mic on mute just

1383
01:08:57,320 --> 01:08:53,640
to let you know you might want to keep

1384
01:08:58,280 --> 01:08:57,330
it take it off mute is it all for now

1385
01:09:00,680 --> 01:08:58,290
yep it is

1386
01:09:03,740 --> 01:09:00,690
hear you loud and clear thank you doctor

1387
01:09:06,890 --> 01:09:03,750
I watched the Trump interview several

1388
01:09:09,229 --> 01:09:06,900
times and I was pretty amazed because

1389
01:09:11,599 --> 01:09:09,239
they didn't instantly ridicule the

1390
01:09:16,720 --> 01:09:11,609
subject and I thought that was coming

1391
01:09:20,180 --> 01:09:16,730
along quite well the way they had been

1392
01:09:22,820 --> 01:09:20,190
so I think things are progressing not

1393
01:09:27,530 --> 01:09:22,830
real fast but I was pretty amazed by

1394
01:09:30,140 --> 01:09:27,540
that I wanted to ask you about the mid

1395
01:09:32,300 --> 01:09:30,150
shukaku a statement that I read I don't

1396
01:09:34,640 --> 01:09:32,310
know if you had the opportunity to hear

1397
01:09:36,490 --> 01:09:34,650
it but wanted to know how do you feel

1398
01:09:40,300 --> 01:09:36,500
about a scientist

1399
01:09:43,090 --> 01:09:40,310
that credible coming forward about the

1400
01:09:46,660 --> 01:09:43,100
UFO topic and actually asking the

1401
01:09:48,400 --> 01:09:46,670
government to it's basically what what

1402
01:09:50,230 --> 01:09:48,410
he was saying is the burden of proof is

1403
01:09:51,849 --> 01:09:50,240
on the government regarding the UFO

1404
01:09:56,200 --> 01:09:51,859
topic he placed it squarely on the

1405
01:09:58,720 --> 01:09:56,210
shoulders of the US ok UF US government

1406
01:10:01,720 --> 01:09:58,730
regarding the UFO topic what is your

1407
01:10:04,240 --> 01:10:01,730
perspective on that I think he's right

1408
01:10:07,750 --> 01:10:04,250
me is logical but I don't know if it'll

1409
01:10:09,580 --> 01:10:07,760
be perceived that way because there are

1410
01:10:13,060 --> 01:10:09,590
a lot of observations and good

1411
01:10:15,520 --> 01:10:13,070
observations and for example the Nimitz

1412
01:10:19,210 --> 01:10:15,530
and everything which had radar and

1413
01:10:22,270 --> 01:10:19,220
everything else and so it in a way it is

1414
01:10:26,320 --> 01:10:22,280
but I don't know if the public in

1415
01:10:28,090 --> 01:10:26,330
general see it that way ok great thank

1416
01:10:30,850 --> 01:10:28,100
you very much for that input I did want

1417
01:10:34,000 --> 01:10:30,860
to kind of go over year 2019 regarding

1418
01:10:36,850 --> 01:10:34,010
what happened and I'm getting this from

1419
01:10:39,190 --> 01:10:36,860
an article a wonderful one written by an

1420
01:10:42,880 --> 01:10:39,200
individual by the name of Cady Haney on

1421
01:10:46,510 --> 01:10:42,890
the cut.com and she covered January to

1422
01:10:47,890 --> 01:10:46,520
March she said in April actually I'm

1423
01:10:51,070 --> 01:10:47,900
sorry I'll go ahead and start off with

1424
01:10:53,830 --> 01:10:51,080
with April the navy announces new UFO

1425
01:10:56,470 --> 01:10:53,840
reporting process in May The Times

1426
01:11:00,280 --> 01:10:56,480
publishes a story on Navy pilots UFO

1427
01:11:04,660 --> 01:11:00,290
encounters in June lawmakers briefed on

1428
01:11:07,330 --> 01:11:04,670
UFO report July teens hatch plan to

1429
01:11:10,090 --> 01:11:07,340
storm area 51 Michael hall might want to

1430
01:11:12,880 --> 01:11:10,100
chime in on that topic in August we had

1431
01:11:16,270 --> 01:11:12,890
Bernie Sanders pledged to reveal UFO

1432
01:11:19,630 --> 01:11:16,280
evidence if elected September storm area

1433
01:11:21,910 --> 01:11:19,640
51 event was canceled and two youtubers

1434
01:11:24,820 --> 01:11:21,920
are arrested for breaking in trying to

1435
01:11:27,730 --> 01:11:24,830
break in anyway October strange Oregon

1436
01:11:31,660 --> 01:11:27,740
Cal Malaysians reported possible alien

1437
01:11:35,550 --> 01:11:31,670
ties I wanted to talk about the actual

1438
01:11:39,040 --> 01:11:35,560
it was a very interesting cultural

1439
01:11:42,460 --> 01:11:39,050
related topic and that is the storm area

1440
01:11:44,440 --> 01:11:42,470
51 topic and Michael Hall I would like

1441
01:11:47,320 --> 01:11:44,450
to ask you if you could please chime in

1442
01:11:49,480 --> 01:11:47,330
on that topic and everybody please all

1443
01:11:50,350 --> 01:11:49,490
of our panelists please remain on audio

1444
01:11:54,460 --> 01:11:50,360
not video

1445
01:11:58,150 --> 01:11:54,470
please go to audio and Michael hall you

1446
01:12:00,220 --> 01:11:58,160
actually had your own event that you

1447
01:12:03,340 --> 01:12:00,230
wanted to share with the entire world on

1448
01:12:05,770 --> 01:12:03,350
the storm area 51 topic can you please

1449
01:12:07,710 --> 01:12:05,780
share what you did on that the day of

1450
01:12:12,040 --> 01:12:07,720
storm area 51

1451
01:12:14,790 --> 01:12:12,050
well sure can't you know it was quite an

1452
01:12:20,110 --> 01:12:14,800
amazing event the whole idea that

1453
01:12:23,140 --> 01:12:20,120
literally due to a freak incident on

1454
01:12:25,390 --> 01:12:23,150
Facebook where Maddie Roberts put up a

1455
01:12:28,050 --> 01:12:25,400
meme that said let's store every storm

1456
01:12:31,720 --> 01:12:28,060
area51 because they can't stop all of us

1457
01:12:35,740 --> 01:12:31,730
went totally viral this was a unique

1458
01:12:38,200 --> 01:12:35,750
year in ufology where in reality people

1459
01:12:40,630 --> 01:12:38,210
from around the world got focused on the

1460
01:12:43,090 --> 01:12:40,640
idea that there's something going on

1461
01:12:46,450 --> 01:12:43,100
about this UFO thing and maybe it's

1462
01:12:49,570 --> 01:12:46,460
centered around area 51 in the Nevada

1463
01:12:52,330 --> 01:12:49,580
desert so what I ended up doing is I

1464
01:12:57,640 --> 01:12:52,340
ended up going to the little alien in

1465
01:13:00,780 --> 01:12:57,650
podcasting for five days and laughs I

1466
01:13:04,630 --> 01:13:00,790
was interviewed and interviewing

1467
01:13:07,060 --> 01:13:04,640
al-jazeera the New York Times London

1468
01:13:10,390 --> 01:13:07,070
Times people from around the world

1469
01:13:13,320 --> 01:13:10,400
showed up they're not the you know

1470
01:13:15,250 --> 01:13:13,330
millions of people that were you know

1471
01:13:17,470 --> 01:13:15,260
wondering if they're gonna show up but

1472
01:13:19,300 --> 01:13:17,480
literally there was thousands of people

1473
01:13:21,940 --> 01:13:19,310
that showed up at the doorstep of this

1474
01:13:23,860 --> 01:13:21,950
small little community that has 54

1475
01:13:26,710 --> 01:13:23,870
people that live there year around so

1476
01:13:30,490 --> 01:13:26,720
all I can say about the storming area51

1477
01:13:33,070 --> 01:13:30,500
event is that it seemed to catalyze the

1478
01:13:36,550 --> 01:13:33,080
world's interest almost like the

1479
01:13:40,450 --> 01:13:36,560
Woodstock thing did in 1969 you know

1480
01:13:42,040 --> 01:13:40,460
regarding the the war and protests and

1481
01:13:43,990 --> 01:13:42,050
those kinds of things just the fact that

1482
01:13:46,510 --> 01:13:44,000
you can get a half a million young

1483
01:13:49,120 --> 01:13:46,520
people in 1969 to go there and have a

1484
01:13:53,080 --> 01:13:49,130
peaceful weekend of music it was a very

1485
01:13:55,600 --> 01:13:53,090
similar feeling at area 51 at alien

1486
01:13:57,760 --> 01:13:55,610
stock where literally the world was

1487
01:14:01,300 --> 01:13:57,770
there and I'll tell you what the Foreign

1488
01:14:02,860 --> 01:14:01,310
Press were interviewing each other this

1489
01:14:03,940 --> 01:14:02,870
is probably the first time that people

1490
01:14:06,250 --> 01:14:03,950
from around the

1491
01:14:07,600 --> 01:14:06,260
world could talk with other people for

1492
01:14:12,700 --> 01:14:07,610
different countries that are interested

1493
01:14:15,490 --> 01:14:12,710
in this journalistic venture of finding

1494
01:14:17,050 --> 01:14:15,500
out what happened about you know Michael

1495
01:14:20,710 --> 01:14:17,060
I would like to put you on the spot

1496
01:14:23,140 --> 01:14:20,720
regarding this topic I myself didn't

1497
01:14:28,630 --> 01:14:23,150
find any educational value whatsoever

1498
01:14:31,360 --> 01:14:28,640
about anyone possibly thinking about

1499
01:14:34,780 --> 01:14:31,370
storming area 51 I know everybody has

1500
01:14:38,980 --> 01:14:34,790
their own perspectives regarding it but

1501
01:14:43,080 --> 01:14:38,990
my personal perspective was I really had

1502
01:14:46,150 --> 01:14:43,090
an issue with the thought of citizens

1503
01:14:49,240 --> 01:14:46,160
whether they be US citizens or anyone

1504
01:14:53,140 --> 01:14:49,250
from around the world coming to area 51

1505
01:14:56,500 --> 01:14:53,150
a top secret base and actually even

1506
01:14:59,620 --> 01:14:56,510
thinking of breaking into the base now a

1507
01:15:04,150 --> 01:14:59,630
lot of people can say ah no it wasn't

1508
01:15:07,420 --> 01:15:04,160
Maddie Roberts idea to have or emphasize

1509
01:15:10,150 --> 01:15:07,430
or encourage folks to break into that

1510
01:15:12,130 --> 01:15:10,160
base however I would like to let

1511
01:15:16,630 --> 01:15:12,140
everybody know there were a lot of

1512
01:15:20,710 --> 01:15:16,640
people that took it literally and so I

1513
01:15:23,440 --> 01:15:20,720
want to know Michael how do you feel

1514
01:15:29,050 --> 01:15:23,450
about the idea of people wanting to

1515
01:15:32,020 --> 01:15:29,060
break into a US military base one of 800

1516
01:15:35,140 --> 01:15:32,030
around the world that we have regarding

1517
01:15:38,080 --> 01:15:35,150
this topic or just doing it at all what

1518
01:15:40,630 --> 01:15:38,090
is your thought process on that yeah

1519
01:15:42,490 --> 01:15:40,640
right from the very beginning I was

1520
01:15:44,410 --> 01:15:42,500
discouraging anyone from you know

1521
01:15:47,980 --> 01:15:44,420
breaking any laws putting anyone in

1522
01:15:51,310 --> 01:15:47,990
danger let alone our military assets and

1523
01:15:54,670 --> 01:15:51,320
personnel so we came up with the whole

1524
01:15:56,800 --> 01:15:54,680
idea of an alternative event called

1525
01:15:59,020 --> 01:15:56,810
disclosure aid where we were just going

1526
01:16:02,140 --> 01:15:59,030
to basically bring the attention of the

1527
01:16:05,680 --> 01:16:02,150
world to the disclosure of UFOs and

1528
01:16:08,080 --> 01:16:05,690
potential et presence on the planet but

1529
01:16:11,560 --> 01:16:08,090
I'll tell you what happened at the back

1530
01:16:14,890 --> 01:16:11,570
gate on Friday morning at 3:00 a.m. in

1531
01:16:17,200 --> 01:16:14,900
them on September 21st I'm sorry the

1532
01:16:17,800 --> 01:16:17,210
20th was when everyone was supposed to

1533
01:16:19,480 --> 01:16:17,810
show

1534
01:16:22,450 --> 01:16:19,490
at the back gate and do that stormy

1535
01:16:24,580 --> 01:16:22,460
event it didn't happen but there was

1536
01:16:26,440 --> 01:16:24,590
about a hundred people literally from

1537
01:16:28,390 --> 01:16:26,450
around the world that showed up and not

1538
01:16:31,030 --> 01:16:28,400
just young folks there are older people

1539
01:16:32,680 --> 01:16:31,040
they were oppressed there and people

1540
01:16:35,380 --> 01:16:32,690
that were journalists there and

1541
01:16:38,470 --> 01:16:35,390
literally it turned out to be a very

1542
01:16:40,930 --> 01:16:38,480
positive public relations thing for the

1543
01:16:43,630 --> 01:16:40,940
military because the camo dudes were

1544
01:16:46,750 --> 01:16:43,640
taking selfies with everyone there was a

1545
01:16:49,180 --> 01:16:46,760
very feeling of camaraderie and it kind

1546
01:16:51,940 --> 01:16:49,190
of kicked off the entire weekend events

1547
01:16:54,070 --> 01:16:51,950
that happened after that so we all

1548
01:16:57,010 --> 01:16:54,080
discouraged anybody from doing anything

1549
01:16:58,780 --> 01:16:57,020
nefarious out there for sure I'm glad

1550
01:17:01,510 --> 01:16:58,790
you said that because I know you did you

1551
01:17:04,030 --> 01:17:01,520
made it very very clear to everybody to

1552
01:17:07,540 --> 01:17:04,040
not do that and in fact that was really

1553
01:17:09,970 --> 01:17:07,550
part of the essence of why you had the

1554
01:17:12,850 --> 01:17:09,980
show you did so thank you for having

1555
01:17:15,220 --> 01:17:12,860
helped out in that regard I did want to

1556
01:17:16,800 --> 01:17:15,230
ask oh yes let me let me just jump in

1557
01:17:19,030 --> 01:17:16,810
let me just jump in real quick and

1558
01:17:21,280 --> 01:17:19,040
Michael it started out going in one

1559
01:17:23,110 --> 01:17:21,290
direction but it invite it evolved into

1560
01:17:23,890 --> 01:17:23,120
something else and evolved into

1561
01:17:27,880 --> 01:17:23,900
something better

1562
01:17:30,700 --> 01:17:27,890
you got it Frank that was you know most

1563
01:17:32,050 --> 01:17:30,710
of the policy community was going I

1564
01:17:34,570 --> 01:17:32,060
don't want anything to do with this I'm

1565
01:17:36,250 --> 01:17:34,580
gonna stay away from that thing but I'll

1566
01:17:38,950 --> 01:17:36,260
tell you what as the thing unfolded and

1567
01:17:40,750 --> 01:17:38,960
as more and more people showed up matter

1568
01:17:42,700 --> 01:17:40,760
of fact the event and heiko shut down

1569
01:17:46,240 --> 01:17:42,710
early so all of a sudden there was

1570
01:17:48,850 --> 01:17:46,250
nothing left but Rachel Nevada and you

1571
01:17:51,490 --> 01:17:48,860
know alien stock it ended up being a

1572
01:17:53,170 --> 01:17:51,500
very positive event and I'll tell you

1573
01:17:54,550 --> 01:17:53,180
what Kanye West is really looking

1574
01:17:56,530 --> 01:17:54,560
forward to next year it's going to be a

1575
01:17:58,810 --> 01:17:56,540
massive ha ha ha ha

1576
01:18:02,440 --> 01:17:58,820
that I think is going to really turn the

1577
01:18:04,480 --> 01:18:02,450
world you know as far as their reality

1578
01:18:06,730 --> 01:18:04,490
of what's going on she's gonna have to

1579
01:18:09,700 --> 01:18:06,740
expand that place it's kind of a funny

1580
01:18:13,120 --> 01:18:09,710
place isn't it oh no there is plenty of

1581
01:18:14,770 --> 01:18:13,130
room on is they leave it oh no no I mean

1582
01:18:17,500 --> 01:18:14,780
in the in itself it's kind of at all

1583
01:18:19,720 --> 01:18:17,510
kind of a small place isn't it well

1584
01:18:22,120 --> 01:18:19,730
literally the in itself was closed down

1585
01:18:23,800 --> 01:18:22,130
for most of the weekend and only opened

1586
01:18:24,190 --> 01:18:23,810
up for breakfast so you're right I'm

1587
01:18:26,020 --> 01:18:24,200
sorry

1588
01:18:28,450 --> 01:18:26,030
she is gonna have to prepare for

1589
01:18:31,160 --> 01:18:28,460
something if she wants to have those

1590
01:18:36,020 --> 01:18:31,170
breakfasts again at the little alien

1591
01:18:39,290 --> 01:18:36,030
I aya was just talking to Stacy off off

1592
01:18:43,820 --> 01:18:39,300
the show here wanted a Stacy right and

1593
01:18:47,030 --> 01:18:43,830
Jim man about the storm area51 topic and

1594
01:18:50,090 --> 01:18:47,040
how I'd like to give him example of some

1595
01:18:53,990 --> 01:18:50,100
things I saw I was very disappointed to

1596
01:18:56,750 --> 01:18:54,000
see very violent related commentary

1597
01:19:01,490 --> 01:18:56,760
people who were actually planning online

1598
01:19:04,520 --> 01:19:01,500
to break into area 51 base openly and it

1599
01:19:07,760 --> 01:19:04,530
was not joking either they were actually

1600
01:19:10,760 --> 01:19:07,770
planning it and when I say they I mean I

1601
01:19:12,950 --> 01:19:10,770
said dozens of statements like that

1602
01:19:16,940 --> 01:19:12,960
online on social media

1603
01:19:18,680 --> 01:19:16,950
I wanted to know Jim and Stacy what was

1604
01:19:23,810 --> 01:19:18,690
your perspective when you heard about

1605
01:19:27,410 --> 01:19:23,820
this area 51 storm storm area 51 topic

1606
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and how it was presented well when I

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01:19:31,720 --> 01:19:29,460
first heard about it I thought wow I

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01:19:34,550 --> 01:19:31,730
would really like to see them try this

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01:19:35,840 --> 01:19:34,560
you know I mean it's ludicrous they

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01:19:38,840 --> 01:19:35,850
would think about doing this because

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01:19:40,640 --> 01:19:38,850
there's their question was you know can

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01:19:43,190 --> 01:19:40,650
they get us all or they can't they can't

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01:19:45,680 --> 01:19:43,200
get us all I'm thinking have you ever

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01:19:47,570 --> 01:19:45,690
seen an Apache helicopter in action of

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01:19:50,690 --> 01:19:47,580
course they can get you all in a myriad

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01:19:52,580 --> 01:19:50,700
of ways so you know we've got attacking

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01:19:53,900 --> 01:19:52,590
slaying around the Mesa Arizona area

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01:19:56,600 --> 01:19:53,910
here all the time because they build

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01:19:58,370 --> 01:19:56,610
them right here it's going yeah it's

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01:20:01,010 --> 01:19:58,380
quite scary and a lot of that military

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01:20:03,350 --> 01:20:01,020
aircraft and force is scary so it was a

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01:20:05,750 --> 01:20:03,360
crazy notion to begin with I see how it

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01:20:07,250 --> 01:20:05,760
got out of control the way that it did

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01:20:11,390 --> 01:20:07,260
and I'm glad that it just ended up being

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01:20:12,620 --> 01:20:11,400
a nice peaceful gathering but yeah when

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01:20:14,210 --> 01:20:12,630
I first heard about it I just thought

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01:20:19,580 --> 01:20:14,220
this is the craziest thing I've ever

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01:20:22,400 --> 01:20:19,590
heard I'm not surprised that it kind of

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01:20:24,650 --> 01:20:22,410
got out of hand on social media look I'm

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01:20:29,270 --> 01:20:24,660
not a big fan of social media to begin

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01:20:32,450 --> 01:20:29,280
with okay I think that many times on

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01:20:35,570 --> 01:20:32,460
Facebook you see a sort of a mob

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01:20:37,070 --> 01:20:35,580
mentality it has nothing to do with the

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01:20:40,730 --> 01:20:37,080
truth it's pretty deep that's these

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01:20:42,230 --> 01:20:40,740
keyboard warriors people that are you

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01:20:43,700 --> 01:20:42,240
know they're they're their heroes and

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01:20:44,430 --> 01:20:43,710
they're very brave as long as they're

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01:20:47,729 --> 01:20:44,440
behind there

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01:20:49,650 --> 01:20:47,739
keyboard their monitors but you take

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01:20:53,970 --> 01:20:49,660
them out into the real world and things

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01:20:56,040 --> 01:20:53,980
change a lot so when I read a few things

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01:20:58,590 --> 01:20:56,050
about what they thought they were going

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01:21:01,800 --> 01:20:58,600
to do area 51

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01:21:03,740 --> 01:21:01,810
I had to laugh you know because I just

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01:21:09,060 --> 01:21:03,750
knew that that wasn't going to happen

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01:21:12,420 --> 01:21:09,070
you're talking about a secured military

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01:21:16,620 --> 01:21:12,430
base belongs to logging to the most

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01:21:18,330 --> 01:21:16,630
powerful military in the entire world

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01:21:19,979 --> 01:21:18,340
right now do you think you're going to

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01:21:22,439 --> 01:21:19,989
go out there with a handful of people

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01:21:25,320 --> 01:21:22,449
even if you went out there with 20,000

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01:21:28,260 --> 01:21:25,330
people okay which that wasn't going to

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01:21:31,740 --> 01:21:28,270
happen we knew it but you weren't gonna

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01:21:33,990 --> 01:21:31,750
win you just weren't gonna win and that

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01:21:36,620 --> 01:21:34,000
was just crazy and I knew it wouldn't I

1656
01:21:40,050 --> 01:21:36,630
knew that it wasn't gonna turn into that

1657
01:21:42,060 --> 01:21:40,060
thank you for Dad yeah it's good to hear

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01:21:45,180 --> 01:21:42,070
that it did turn into something positive

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01:21:47,340 --> 01:21:45,190
I didn't attend it I had no intention of

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01:21:49,200 --> 01:21:47,350
going out there but I'm glad that it

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01:21:51,570 --> 01:21:49,210
turned into something positive but what

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01:21:54,840 --> 01:21:51,580
it did do is I think it got a lot of

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01:21:58,170 --> 01:21:54,850
people's attention about how fed up we

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01:22:00,330 --> 01:21:58,180
all are with with secrets with secrets

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01:22:02,790 --> 01:22:00,340
know the government the military

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01:22:06,180 --> 01:22:02,800
everything belongs to the people of this

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01:22:08,250 --> 01:22:06,190
country we deserve to hear the truth is

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01:22:11,040 --> 01:22:08,260
sometimes as harsh as that truth is

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01:22:14,400 --> 01:22:11,050
truth is better than lies we all know it

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01:22:18,600 --> 01:22:14,410
so that's the fight we're fighting

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01:22:22,110 --> 01:22:18,610
against truth and in lies and what we

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01:22:24,390 --> 01:22:22,120
can do is keep focused on science keep

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01:22:27,570 --> 01:22:24,400
focused on reality keep focused on

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01:22:30,840 --> 01:22:27,580
people move on and I speak for move on

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01:22:32,640 --> 01:22:30,850
we help people see what they you know

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01:22:36,150 --> 01:22:32,650
determine what they saw in the night sky

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01:22:39,270 --> 01:22:36,160
that's what we do we're we're we're

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01:22:41,490 --> 01:22:39,280
organized for field investigations and

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01:22:44,280 --> 01:22:41,500
right and you're right and we are going

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01:22:46,350 --> 01:22:44,290
to have a MUFON boot camp special

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01:22:49,050 --> 01:22:46,360
regarding what Jim man just mentioned

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01:22:51,300 --> 01:22:49,060
there that'll be next Sunday at noon

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01:22:53,790 --> 01:22:51,310
Arizona time and Frank will also give

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01:22:55,800 --> 01:22:53,800
the other timezone regarding that so

1685
01:22:58,210 --> 01:22:55,810
people aren't confused I wanted to ask

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01:23:01,450 --> 01:22:58,220
Russell as bill and

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01:23:04,330 --> 01:23:01,460
also Shane heard a Phoenix MUFON what

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01:23:07,090 --> 01:23:04,340
their thoughts are on this storm area 51

1689
01:23:10,210 --> 01:23:07,100
topic I know Stacy had a really great

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01:23:12,880 --> 01:23:10,220
point when she said that she just could

1691
01:23:15,340 --> 01:23:12,890
not even fathom or imagine why anybody

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01:23:18,640 --> 01:23:15,350
would want to think about breaking on

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01:23:20,980 --> 01:23:18,650
into a US military base especially with

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01:23:22,690 --> 01:23:20,990
the kind of military ready capacity we

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01:23:27,250 --> 01:23:22,700
have what are your thoughts on that

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01:23:30,150 --> 01:23:27,260
Russell or Shane be sure to unmute your

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01:23:37,890 --> 01:23:30,160
mics and let us know who you are

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01:23:41,080 --> 01:23:37,900
yeah and from the time I just thought it

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01:23:45,910 --> 01:23:41,090
to me would be a good way to get killed

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01:23:49,810 --> 01:23:45,920
and nothing other than that the military

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01:23:54,430 --> 01:23:49,820
obviously will not let anyone get

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01:23:57,160 --> 01:23:54,440
anywhere into the base it's one the most

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01:23:58,990 --> 01:23:57,170
highly guarded places that I know of in

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01:24:00,490 --> 01:23:59,000
this country I just thought it was

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01:24:02,860 --> 01:24:00,500
foolish from the start I had no

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01:24:06,730 --> 01:24:02,870
intention of going down there and I'm

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01:24:10,210 --> 01:24:06,740
just glad that it it ended as peacefully

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01:24:13,780 --> 01:24:10,220
as it did because I think the government

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01:24:16,840 --> 01:24:13,790
wisely had two levels of escalation

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01:24:19,570 --> 01:24:16,850
depending on you know what what how many

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01:24:22,710 --> 01:24:19,580
people showed up and their actions but

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01:24:27,970 --> 01:24:22,720
it was just foolish just from the start

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01:24:31,420 --> 01:24:27,980
yeah to degree I think our government

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01:24:34,030 --> 01:24:31,430
should have some secrets on certain

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01:24:39,910 --> 01:24:34,040
items protect the country and this

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01:24:42,640 --> 01:24:39,920
survey UFOs obviously not from this

1717
01:24:45,610 --> 01:24:42,650
planet but apart from that I just

1718
01:24:50,830 --> 01:24:45,620
thought the whole storm

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01:24:53,830 --> 01:24:50,840
area 51's for and that we've got Steve

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01:24:55,450 --> 01:24:53,840
Bassett on we got that Steve Steve if

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01:24:57,820 --> 01:24:55,460
you could hand me your mic it looks like

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01:24:59,740 --> 01:24:57,830
you're on the call that's a couple quick

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01:25:03,190 --> 01:24:59,750
questions before there you go Steve how

1724
01:25:05,170 --> 01:25:03,200
are you yeah I just we're obviously

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01:25:08,610 --> 01:25:05,180
going over everything that happened back

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01:25:09,770 --> 01:25:08,620
in 2019 and just real quick asking you

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01:25:11,240 --> 01:25:09,780
you know

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01:25:17,359 --> 01:25:11,250
what was the thing that stood out for

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01:25:19,970 --> 01:25:17,369
you about the year of 2019 and UFOs the

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01:25:21,350 --> 01:25:19,980
thing that stands out the same thing as

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01:25:24,169 --> 01:25:21,360
last year the year before

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01:25:28,010 --> 01:25:24,179
it's the de développement surrounding it

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01:25:30,410 --> 01:25:28,020
to the Stars Academy they've dominated

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01:25:31,700 --> 01:25:30,420
the media there's been about 600

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01:25:34,970 --> 01:25:31,710
articles that I've logged in on my

1736
01:25:37,189 --> 01:25:34,980
website on this issue by the mainstream

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01:25:40,129 --> 01:25:37,199
press that's a lot it's a decent amount

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01:25:42,439 --> 01:25:40,139
here it is and there's been a number of

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01:25:44,990 --> 01:25:42,449
interviews on talk shows

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01:25:46,970 --> 01:25:45,000
high-end talk shows Tucker Carlson can

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01:25:51,950 --> 01:25:46,980
barely go a week without an Nick Pope on

1742
01:25:55,189 --> 01:25:51,960
talk about but the to the stars Academy

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01:25:56,870 --> 01:25:55,199
is the the the big game in town some of

1744
01:25:59,180 --> 01:25:56,880
the most important things regarding them

1745
01:26:01,700 --> 01:25:59,190
was of course early me or you had that

1746
01:26:05,899 --> 01:26:01,710
identified series that was significant

1747
01:26:07,910 --> 01:26:05,909
and then probably the most important

1748
01:26:10,310 --> 01:26:07,920
thing was not well-known and that is

1749
01:26:11,740 --> 01:26:10,320
that they they were going up in Hill and

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01:26:15,379 --> 01:26:11,750
having meetings with members of Congress

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01:26:18,490 --> 01:26:15,389
privately we know of a few but I'm sure

1752
01:26:21,890 --> 01:26:18,500
they had more than just those few and

1753
01:26:23,740 --> 01:26:21,900
I'm pretty sure the game is simple

1754
01:26:27,260 --> 01:26:23,750
they're laying the groundwork for

1755
01:26:28,640 --> 01:26:27,270
hearings now that's a big deal but it's

1756
01:26:30,200 --> 01:26:28,650
private it's in the background there's

1757
01:26:33,709 --> 01:26:30,210
only a few articles were written about

1758
01:26:34,970 --> 01:26:33,719
it so and there's been other

1759
01:26:36,830 --> 01:26:34,980
developments in terms of witnesses

1760
01:26:39,319 --> 01:26:36,840
coming forward with respect to the

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01:26:41,270 --> 01:26:39,329
Nimitz case and so forth but they have

1762
01:26:45,319 --> 01:26:41,280
they're the they're the news story this

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01:26:47,180 --> 01:26:45,329
year just as they were last year in

1764
01:26:51,410 --> 01:26:47,190
regarding the other gentleman's query

1765
01:26:55,010 --> 01:26:51,420
the guest caller had a query is if

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01:26:57,260 --> 01:26:55,020
things slow down is there a season for

1767
01:26:58,790 --> 01:26:57,270
this yeah there is

1768
01:27:01,330 --> 01:26:58,800
there's the impeachment season and

1769
01:27:04,189 --> 01:27:01,340
there's non impeachment season

1770
01:27:07,520 --> 01:27:04,199
essentially we have been an impeachment

1771
01:27:11,029 --> 01:27:07,530
season for most of this year and now

1772
01:27:14,060 --> 01:27:11,039
we're formally in it now and you simply

1773
01:27:16,040 --> 01:27:14,070
can't advance this subject under those

1774
01:27:18,080 --> 01:27:16,050
circumstances you cannot get the media

1775
01:27:20,149 --> 01:27:18,090
attention you sure not can get the

1776
01:27:21,830 --> 01:27:20,159
political attention political class

1777
01:27:23,239 --> 01:27:21,840
attention unless you're talking about

1778
01:27:25,129 --> 01:27:23,249
some meetings privately

1779
01:27:26,600 --> 01:27:25,139
and you've got witnesses like the Nimitz

1780
01:27:28,009 --> 01:27:26,610
witnesses and you've got some gravitas

1781
01:27:30,259 --> 01:27:28,019
you can have some private meetings but

1782
01:27:32,180 --> 01:27:30,269
publicly this is going nowhere so they

1783
01:27:35,180 --> 01:27:32,190
have slowed down their slow walking this

1784
01:27:36,859 --> 01:27:35,190
intentionally and I'm slow walking I've

1785
01:27:38,930 --> 01:27:36,869
held off on the podcast it launched

1786
01:27:41,629 --> 01:27:38,940
pretty soon but I wasn't gonna launch

1787
01:27:43,790 --> 01:27:41,639
the podcast into this political storm so

1788
01:27:46,669 --> 01:27:43,800
yeah in a way things have slowed down

1789
01:27:50,569 --> 01:27:46,679
but still it's been a significant year a

1790
01:27:54,739 --> 01:27:50,579
lot has happened in terms of the storm

1791
01:27:57,859 --> 01:27:54,749
Mary 51k that was big news no question

1792
01:28:00,890 --> 01:27:57,869
it was probably the most popular event

1793
01:28:02,540 --> 01:28:00,900
of this year and I'm the most covered it

1794
01:28:04,609 --> 01:28:02,550
was never intended to actually be a

1795
01:28:07,250 --> 01:28:04,619
storm a very 51 was just a joke

1796
01:28:08,750 --> 01:28:07,260
as most people know he had no idea what

1797
01:28:10,669 --> 01:28:08,760
was gonna happen he didn't have had no

1798
01:28:13,489 --> 01:28:10,679
idea why he's tapping into a massive

1799
01:28:15,469 --> 01:28:13,499
viral vein but a lot of people in this

1800
01:28:17,629 --> 01:28:15,479
field high-end people such as myself and

1801
01:28:20,390 --> 01:28:17,639
others quickly pointed out this was a

1802
01:28:22,399 --> 01:28:20,400
bad idea to minimize the number of

1803
01:28:25,759 --> 01:28:22,409
people who got on board and then decided

1804
01:28:28,669 --> 01:28:25,769
it was a good idea and ultimately it all

1805
01:28:31,129 --> 01:28:28,679
worked out and so while it was very

1806
01:28:33,890 --> 01:28:31,139
little educational value there was a lot

1807
01:28:35,660 --> 01:28:33,900
of activist value the most important

1808
01:28:37,250 --> 01:28:35,670
value was the number of people that

1809
01:28:39,560 --> 01:28:37,260
signed up with interest are willing to

1810
01:28:41,569 --> 01:28:39,570
go meaning just signing up

1811
01:28:44,989 --> 01:28:41,579
that's simply there s like a petition

1812
01:28:46,939 --> 01:28:44,999
there saying hey I'm with you and it was

1813
01:28:49,850 --> 01:28:46,949
nearly I think over three million I know

1814
01:28:51,250 --> 01:28:49,860
that got the government's attention and

1815
01:28:54,080 --> 01:28:51,260
I think you've got the media's attention

1816
01:28:56,060 --> 01:28:54,090
now if he had worked that out so

1817
01:28:59,359 --> 01:28:56,070
everybody has signed up for storm in

1818
01:29:01,040 --> 01:28:59,369
area 51 left their email that fellow

1819
01:29:03,649 --> 01:29:01,050
would have what are the most important

1820
01:29:06,259 --> 01:29:03,659
email lists in a planet right now but he

1821
01:29:08,299 --> 01:29:06,269
didn't do is set it up that way but

1822
01:29:10,189 --> 01:29:08,309
people handle it well the ones that went

1823
01:29:12,379 --> 01:29:10,199
out to the gate went out for fun they

1824
01:29:13,939 --> 01:29:12,389
had costumes the cards were hanging out

1825
01:29:16,339 --> 01:29:13,949
with them it was great that's you know

1826
01:29:18,140 --> 01:29:16,349
they're not the enemy area 51 and the

1827
01:29:20,390 --> 01:29:18,150
people there are not the enemy we're not

1828
01:29:22,370 --> 01:29:20,400
we're not assaulting the barricades here

1829
01:29:23,930 --> 01:29:22,380
but we sent a message they tried to get

1830
01:29:27,229 --> 01:29:23,940
some entertainment events going and Rico

1831
01:29:29,020 --> 01:29:27,239
and Rachel they were somewhat successful

1832
01:29:32,839 --> 01:29:29,030
but I know a lot of money was lost

1833
01:29:35,600 --> 01:29:32,849
overall though it shows that if you've

1834
01:29:37,010 --> 01:29:35,610
got the right hook if you've got the

1835
01:29:39,860 --> 01:29:37,020
something that really

1836
01:29:41,510 --> 01:29:39,870
connects with people in this country you

1837
01:29:43,430 --> 01:29:41,520
can go out and get to three million

1838
01:29:47,090 --> 01:29:43,440
people maybe signed up only in this case

1839
01:29:49,520 --> 01:29:47,100
four with emails that you can then draw

1840
01:29:52,280 --> 01:29:49,530
upon for the activism so for me that was

1841
01:29:53,660 --> 01:29:52,290
a big deal so that that's that's my

1842
01:29:56,420 --> 01:29:53,670
thoughts on some of the things that

1843
01:29:59,240 --> 01:29:56,430
happened this year I had asked Shane

1844
01:30:02,570 --> 01:29:59,250
herd to give his input regarding the

1845
01:30:05,150 --> 01:30:02,580
storm area 51 topic I wanted to mention

1846
01:30:07,160 --> 01:30:05,160
something important Stacey Wright did

1847
01:30:10,730 --> 01:30:07,170
talk about which I already mentioned

1848
01:30:12,730 --> 01:30:10,740
previously and that is it's uh she found

1849
01:30:15,920 --> 01:30:12,740
it interesting that people would still

1850
01:30:18,800 --> 01:30:15,930
imagine even breaking into a top-secret

1851
01:30:21,290 --> 01:30:18,810
military base with the kind of military

1852
01:30:23,570 --> 01:30:21,300
ready capacity that we'd have what are

1853
01:30:28,220 --> 01:30:23,580
your thoughts on all of that and more

1854
01:30:30,920 --> 01:30:28,230
regarding that topic Shane yeah at the

1855
01:30:33,200 --> 01:30:30,930
time when that was occurring I was kind

1856
01:30:35,960 --> 01:30:33,210
of advocating on Facebook just a quick

1857
01:30:40,970 --> 01:30:35,970
short little phrase it'd be stay home

1858
01:30:43,160 --> 01:30:40,980
stay free and stay alive because you

1859
01:30:46,310 --> 01:30:43,170
know approaching a military base of any

1860
01:30:50,720 --> 01:30:46,320
sort of special area of 51 would not be

1861
01:30:53,570 --> 01:30:50,730
wise I am glad to see that ultimately it

1862
01:30:58,190 --> 01:30:53,580
ended up with some positive things like

1863
01:31:00,470 --> 01:30:58,200
Michael's work and and others although I

1864
01:31:02,060 --> 01:31:00,480
kind of was disappointed in that it you

1865
01:31:04,700 --> 01:31:02,070
know we were fighting for such

1866
01:31:07,160 --> 01:31:04,710
credibility and I think with T TSA and

1867
01:31:09,440 --> 01:31:07,170
unidentified we were really on a roll

1868
01:31:12,200 --> 01:31:09,450
there you know in the month of May for

1869
01:31:14,390 --> 01:31:12,210
example and in the whole topic of UFOs

1870
01:31:16,940 --> 01:31:14,400
was really gaining some credibility and

1871
01:31:18,530 --> 01:31:16,950
then that thing happened and it you know

1872
01:31:21,110 --> 01:31:18,540
I think it kind of damaged the

1873
01:31:22,880 --> 01:31:21,120
credibility in that way but as Steve

1874
01:31:24,650 --> 01:31:22,890
just mentioned you know there's still

1875
01:31:28,280 --> 01:31:24,660
good that come from it and it certainly

1876
01:31:31,520 --> 01:31:28,290
you know tap something in the psyche of

1877
01:31:33,680 --> 01:31:31,530
our country where millions of people

1878
01:31:35,930 --> 01:31:33,690
really have an interest in this topic

1879
01:31:37,910 --> 01:31:35,940
and so I'm sure that did catch the

1880
01:31:39,980 --> 01:31:37,920
attention of a lot of people be it

1881
01:31:42,500 --> 01:31:39,990
mainstream media politicians the

1882
01:31:45,080 --> 01:31:42,510
military itself and you know many of us

1883
01:31:47,060 --> 01:31:45,090
and ufology so you know sort of a

1884
01:31:49,310 --> 01:31:47,070
two-edged sword it was good and it was

1885
01:31:50,270 --> 01:31:49,320
you know like Hollywood says there's no

1886
01:31:54,830 --> 01:31:50,280
bad advertise

1887
01:31:56,840 --> 01:31:54,840
right bye you know so the intention is

1888
01:31:59,090 --> 01:31:56,850
great on the topic but it you know to me

1889
01:32:01,220 --> 01:31:59,100
it was a little bit negative in that it

1890
01:32:03,050 --> 01:32:01,230
was you know lack some credibility but

1891
01:32:06,350 --> 01:32:03,060
you know we've taken those hits before

1892
01:32:08,630 --> 01:32:06,360
and this topic doesn't die so you know

1893
01:32:11,300 --> 01:32:08,640
just keep moving forward and I really do

1894
01:32:13,430 --> 01:32:11,310
expect to hear some really good things

1895
01:32:15,620 --> 01:32:13,440
in the near future especially with those

1896
01:32:17,570 --> 01:32:15,630
congressional hearings and in the end

1897
01:32:20,240 --> 01:32:17,580
things that will add credibility to the

1898
01:32:22,190 --> 01:32:20,250
topic well you had mentioned a scene you

1899
01:32:25,310 --> 01:32:22,200
had mentioned the unidentified show and

1900
01:32:28,640 --> 01:32:25,320
I think well I know I was pleasantly

1901
01:32:31,130 --> 01:32:28,650
surprised I go into these oh you know

1902
01:32:32,300 --> 01:32:31,140
more than a little bit skeptical as to

1903
01:32:34,220 --> 01:32:32,310
whether or not the show is going to

1904
01:32:36,140 --> 01:32:34,230
deliver and I thought that it didn't

1905
01:32:40,460 --> 01:32:36,150
we've got a season two coming up next

1906
01:32:42,320 --> 01:32:40,470
year and what the I know we've talked

1907
01:32:44,570 --> 01:32:42,330
about there the unidentified show quite

1908
01:32:46,820 --> 01:32:44,580
a bit here I did some reviews on it and

1909
01:32:49,430 --> 01:32:46,830
all but does anyone not want to jump in

1910
01:32:51,710 --> 01:32:49,440
and give their thoughts on the season

1911
01:32:57,760 --> 01:32:51,720
one that we've already seen and what

1912
01:33:05,810 --> 01:32:57,770
might be coming up in season two anyone

1913
01:33:09,890 --> 01:33:05,820
said well I'd love to give you my

1914
01:33:14,090 --> 01:33:09,900
opinion yep but I don't like it I hadn't

1915
01:33:18,770 --> 01:33:14,100
watched the season and I don't know why

1916
01:33:20,300 --> 01:33:18,780
you know I just wasn't there and not to

1917
01:33:23,260 --> 01:33:20,310
the fault of anyone or anything

1918
01:33:27,890 --> 01:33:23,270
maybe it's the longevity that I've had

1919
01:33:29,540 --> 01:33:27,900
in the the field was I wasn't sure that

1920
01:33:32,690 --> 01:33:29,550
anything at the import was going to be

1921
01:33:34,750 --> 01:33:32,700
given that I think there was I do I

1922
01:33:37,700 --> 01:33:34,760
think there was I highly recommend

1923
01:33:40,250 --> 01:33:37,710
specifically yeah because I realized

1924
01:33:43,970 --> 01:33:40,260
that there's a lot of information that

1925
01:33:46,400 --> 01:33:43,980
most if not everyone in the general

1926
01:33:52,340 --> 01:33:46,410
public aren't aware of so I'm sure that

1927
01:33:53,900 --> 01:33:52,350
any kind of dispersal of information in

1928
01:33:57,170 --> 01:33:53,910
all the different ways that are

1929
01:33:59,360 --> 01:33:57,180
necessary and available is important and

1930
01:34:01,940 --> 01:33:59,370
this was one of those things especially

1931
01:34:06,100 --> 01:34:01,950
through the television medium

1932
01:34:09,590 --> 01:34:06,110
that people were readily accessible to

1933
01:34:12,110 --> 01:34:09,600
get this new information and which is

1934
01:34:14,060 --> 01:34:12,120
new to them but you know as you and I

1935
01:34:16,250 --> 01:34:14,070
both know and especially you know Steve

1936
01:34:20,870 --> 01:34:16,260
has been around for a while and I'm sure

1937
01:34:24,260 --> 01:34:20,880
that many others and realized that most

1938
01:34:27,860 --> 01:34:24,270
of this that's coming out now we've been

1939
01:34:29,900 --> 01:34:27,870
aware of for decades yeah that they

1940
01:34:31,940 --> 01:34:29,910
still had some nice little finds they

1941
01:34:34,130 --> 01:34:31,950
had the lady pilot on in silhouette

1942
01:34:37,460 --> 01:34:34,140
which was something that I was not

1943
01:34:40,870 --> 01:34:37,470
expecting they had the two pilots graves

1944
01:34:43,370 --> 01:34:40,880
and a coin from the Roosevelt case a

1945
01:34:45,320 --> 01:34:43,380
Elizondo kind of took a little cheap

1946
01:34:46,130 --> 01:34:45,330
shot at Rick Doty saying that he's not

1947
01:34:49,280 --> 01:34:46,140
Rick Doty

1948
01:34:50,720 --> 01:34:49,290
for six hours worth I mean I thought it

1949
01:34:51,770 --> 01:34:50,730
was pretty interesting I really did

1950
01:34:53,720 --> 01:34:51,780
though there was some there are some

1951
01:34:55,880 --> 01:34:53,730
stuff in there that was well worth a

1952
01:34:57,830 --> 01:34:55,890
look anybody else has some thoughts on

1953
01:35:02,720 --> 01:34:57,840
the show and what we could look forward

1954
01:35:05,660 --> 01:35:02,730
to with their next season I can comment

1955
01:35:07,730 --> 01:35:05,670
sure absolutely Steve first I don't

1956
01:35:10,550 --> 01:35:07,740
think it's an accident that the next

1957
01:35:13,960 --> 01:35:10,560
season doesn't start till January and I

1958
01:35:16,520 --> 01:35:13,970
gave deliberately I pushed it forward

1959
01:35:19,460 --> 01:35:16,530
hoping that they'll get will get to calm

1960
01:35:23,780 --> 01:35:19,470
waters and maybe we'll be in kamar

1961
01:35:25,580 --> 01:35:23,790
calmer waters by January and most of

1962
01:35:29,210 --> 01:35:25,590
this political storm will have passed

1963
01:35:30,290 --> 01:35:29,220
we'll see the next show is going to be

1964
01:35:33,920 --> 01:35:30,300
the next series is going to be very

1965
01:35:36,140 --> 01:35:33,930
important they they did some pretty good

1966
01:35:38,510 --> 01:35:36,150
things in the first series they got a

1967
01:35:40,130 --> 01:35:38,520
little off the rails toward the end it

1968
01:35:42,230 --> 01:35:40,140
had plenty of time to think about that

1969
01:35:44,890 --> 01:35:42,240
and so I'm gonna be watching very

1970
01:35:47,990 --> 01:35:44,900
closely one how much of the threat

1971
01:35:49,160 --> 01:35:48,000
aspect of this potential threat aspect

1972
01:35:53,990 --> 01:35:49,170
of this issue is going to be emphasized

1973
01:35:55,640 --> 01:35:54,000
in the next series and that will be

1974
01:35:57,200 --> 01:35:55,650
something critical and of course are

1975
01:35:59,030 --> 01:35:57,210
they gonna release anything truly new

1976
01:36:01,190 --> 01:35:59,040
like more gun camera footage but seyis

1977
01:36:03,980 --> 01:36:01,200
easily could do but they're gonna have a

1978
01:36:05,960 --> 01:36:03,990
strong viewership just as the second

1979
01:36:09,260 --> 01:36:05,970
season of Project Blue Book is going to

1980
01:36:11,870 --> 01:36:09,270
have a strong viewership because we're

1981
01:36:13,140 --> 01:36:11,880
winning I know some people are having

1982
01:36:16,050 --> 01:36:13,150
trouble

1983
01:36:17,670 --> 01:36:16,060
accepting that you're winning in terms

1984
01:36:22,070 --> 01:36:17,680
of the disclosure process and disclosure

1985
01:36:25,740 --> 01:36:22,080
movement and it's only a matter of time

1986
01:36:28,230 --> 01:36:25,750
but right now until we can see beyond

1987
01:36:30,120 --> 01:36:28,240
this this political storm and I mean

1988
01:36:32,220 --> 01:36:30,130
it's it's the biggest constitutional

1989
01:36:35,250 --> 01:36:32,230
crisis in American history nothing even

1990
01:36:37,410 --> 01:36:35,260
comes close certain not even Nixon and

1991
01:36:40,040 --> 01:36:37,420
so until this resolves and things settle

1992
01:36:45,480 --> 01:36:40,050
down don't expect any spectacular

1993
01:36:46,800 --> 01:36:45,490
developments but I seems they're meeting

1994
01:36:53,430 --> 01:36:46,810
and they wanna continue to do that

1995
01:36:56,850 --> 01:36:53,440
Oh on this issue the first time this is

1996
01:36:58,230 --> 01:36:56,860
not in TCG eight and he called and some

1997
01:37:00,120 --> 01:36:58,240
of the witnesses we know are available

1998
01:37:03,660 --> 01:37:00,130
get in front of those committees things

1999
01:37:05,610 --> 01:37:03,670
can move very very fast thank you very

2000
01:37:06,920 --> 01:37:05,620
much for that input Steve I wanted to

2001
01:37:09,180 --> 01:37:06,930
kind of backtrack a little bit because

2002
01:37:12,290 --> 01:37:09,190
there are a few people who didn't get to

2003
01:37:16,530 --> 01:37:12,300
chime in on the storm area51 topic and

2004
01:37:18,960 --> 01:37:16,540
one of well there are a few that we have

2005
01:37:22,080 --> 01:37:18,970
left on the list one I wanted to ask was

2006
01:37:25,320 --> 01:37:22,090
Paul Dean and that is what was your

2007
01:37:28,230 --> 01:37:25,330
perception of the storm area51 topic

2008
01:37:30,030 --> 01:37:28,240
thank you oh well I mean it suffers from

2009
01:37:37,760 --> 01:37:30,040
the same thing as the that most things

2010
01:37:40,740 --> 01:37:37,770
in ufology stuff it's it's um the

2011
01:37:44,010 --> 01:37:40,750
absolute key to the to the to the UFO

2012
01:37:45,720 --> 01:37:44,020
topic right for me is is the detection

2013
01:37:46,950 --> 01:37:45,730
and tracking capability of like the

2014
01:37:48,780 --> 01:37:46,960
North American Aerospace Defense Command

2015
01:37:51,600 --> 01:37:48,790
and the fa eyes joint surveillance

2016
01:37:57,620 --> 01:37:51,610
system and 21st space the 21st Space

2017
01:37:59,730 --> 01:37:57,630
Operations groups low Earth or low Earth

2018
01:38:03,390 --> 01:37:59,740
surveillance systems and so on so

2019
01:38:05,310 --> 01:38:03,400
distractions like storm area51 they

2020
01:38:07,800 --> 01:38:05,320
they're interesting culturally but they

2021
01:38:09,420 --> 01:38:07,810
but they do they certainly do nothing

2022
01:38:11,160 --> 01:38:09,430
for the topic as far as hard science

2023
01:38:13,260 --> 01:38:11,170
goes and convincing scientists and

2024
01:38:15,150 --> 01:38:13,270
technical people that there might be

2025
01:38:16,440 --> 01:38:15,160
something worth looking into but aside

2026
01:38:18,540 --> 01:38:16,450
from that is while everyone was

2027
01:38:20,880 --> 01:38:18,550
pontificating about what might happen if

2028
01:38:24,120 --> 01:38:20,890
you storm area 51 and what could happen

2029
01:38:25,980 --> 01:38:24,130
if you storm area 51 or whatever as soon

2030
01:38:26,839 --> 01:38:25,990
as that as soon as it was announced what

2031
01:38:29,029 --> 01:38:26,849
I'd actually did

2032
01:38:32,149 --> 01:38:29,039
was a saint freedom since 6:00 Freedom

2033
01:38:33,859 --> 01:38:32,159
of Information requests for information

2034
01:38:36,169 --> 01:38:33,869
about how it would be handled and

2035
01:38:38,449 --> 01:38:36,179
they're being processed now so one was

2036
01:38:40,279 --> 01:38:38,459
to the deputy chief of staff at

2037
01:38:44,389 --> 01:38:40,289
installations logistics and force

2038
01:38:46,060 --> 01:38:44,399
protection another FOI request was to to

2039
01:38:47,959 --> 01:38:46,070
the director of said the US Air Force

2040
01:38:50,119 --> 01:38:47,969
sorry before I should have said it

2041
01:38:51,949 --> 01:38:50,129
that's the US Air Force deputy chief of

2042
01:38:54,439 --> 01:38:51,959
staff for installations logistics force

2043
01:38:56,869 --> 01:38:54,449
protection the other one was to the US

2044
01:38:58,520 --> 01:38:56,879
Air Force's important director for

2045
01:39:01,520 --> 01:38:58,530
studies and analysis assessments and

2046
01:39:03,949 --> 01:39:01,530
lessons learned and then the other three

2047
01:39:10,639 --> 01:39:03,959
words for the security police detachment

2048
01:39:12,679 --> 01:39:10,649
and the desire air units of area 51

2049
01:39:14,770 --> 01:39:12,689
Edwards Air Force Base detachment 3 a

2050
01:39:17,029 --> 01:39:14,780
technical development center but anyway

2051
01:39:19,099 --> 01:39:17,039
so what would have happened is I mean

2052
01:39:21,319 --> 01:39:19,109
without the without the doctrine and the

2053
01:39:22,729 --> 01:39:21,329
in and the published manuals and the and

2054
01:39:24,709 --> 01:39:22,739
what we call memorandums of

2055
01:39:26,719 --> 01:39:24,719
understanding and the actual on base two

2056
01:39:28,129 --> 01:39:26,729
orders of what would have happened I

2057
01:39:29,479 --> 01:39:28,139
haven't got them yet and you know maybe

2058
01:39:30,979 --> 01:39:29,489
I never will maybe they'll be classified

2059
01:39:32,599 --> 01:39:30,989
and redacted completely blacked out I

2060
01:39:34,369 --> 01:39:32,609
don't know but what would have actually

2061
01:39:35,810 --> 01:39:34,379
happened is is you've got to understand

2062
01:39:41,560 --> 01:39:35,820
that area 51 has different layers of

2063
01:39:44,599 --> 01:39:41,570
Defense so there is so there is various

2064
01:39:47,179 --> 01:39:44,609
like automated systems like a cameras

2065
01:39:51,909 --> 01:39:47,189
and and and and and sniffers and and

2066
01:39:54,199 --> 01:39:51,919
dogs and sorry yeah a motion detectors

2067
01:39:56,929 --> 01:39:54,209
on some of the important old roads that

2068
01:39:58,699 --> 01:39:56,939
have been tried and tested before by by

2069
01:40:00,290 --> 01:39:58,709
people trying to get in there's a laser

2070
01:40:01,790 --> 01:40:00,300
detectors which work only at night and

2071
01:40:03,319 --> 01:40:01,800
so on but once you get quite close to

2072
01:40:04,849 --> 01:40:03,329
those various units there's two

2073
01:40:06,919 --> 01:40:04,859
detachments of the United States here

2074
01:40:08,330 --> 01:40:06,929
for the United States Air Force's

2075
01:40:11,179 --> 01:40:08,340
security police which are fairly basic

2076
01:40:13,790 --> 01:40:11,189
units they predict the the flight lines

2077
01:40:15,259 --> 01:40:13,800
like the edge of runways they they have

2078
01:40:17,359 --> 01:40:15,269
a power to search people for weaponry

2079
01:40:19,459 --> 01:40:17,369
and bullets and so on then you've got

2080
01:40:24,409 --> 01:40:19,469
will de Sala the private the the private

2081
01:40:25,849 --> 01:40:24,419
firms like the old AE AE and G types but

2082
01:40:28,250 --> 01:40:25,859
importantly there's something called a

2083
01:40:30,439 --> 01:40:28,260
disaster preparedness unit and this

2084
01:40:33,109 --> 01:40:30,449
would be considered as a disaster

2085
01:40:35,209 --> 01:40:33,119
just like any any other disaster say

2086
01:40:39,169 --> 01:40:35,219
like a mass a mass fuel leak or an

2087
01:40:41,060 --> 01:40:39,179
ongoing electrical outage or a like say

2088
01:40:44,510 --> 01:40:41,070
that the the crash of us

2089
01:40:45,800 --> 01:40:44,520
sniff acun aircraft platform into a into

2090
01:40:47,990 --> 01:40:45,810
an important installation or something

2091
01:40:50,120 --> 01:40:48,000
like this but the fact of the matter is

2092
01:40:51,979 --> 01:40:50,130
if people got out there they're gonna be

2093
01:40:53,810 --> 01:40:51,989
hungry and and it made the Air Force or

2094
01:40:55,310 --> 01:40:53,820
a lot I mean you're going to them right

2095
01:40:58,689 --> 01:40:55,320
the Air Force are gonna be relying on

2096
01:41:00,770 --> 01:40:58,699
people to be hungry and thirsty and

2097
01:41:02,470 --> 01:41:00,780
disorientated possibly in the middle of

2098
01:41:05,839 --> 01:41:02,480
the night

2099
01:41:07,640 --> 01:41:05,849
we're obtaining extra security forces

2100
01:41:10,189 --> 01:41:07,650
from places like Watson's and China part

2101
01:41:12,589 --> 01:41:10,199
estrogen and whatever would not be

2102
01:41:14,359 --> 01:41:12,599
overly hard like like it depends on the

2103
01:41:15,950 --> 01:41:14,369
numbers but but one day we might find

2104
01:41:19,819 --> 01:41:15,960
out what I'm what I'm curious to learn

2105
01:41:23,359 --> 01:41:19,829
is if if any if any internal studies

2106
01:41:26,149 --> 01:41:23,369
were done by headquarters Air Force

2107
01:41:27,800 --> 01:41:26,159
logistics or maybe headquarters Edwards

2108
01:41:30,560 --> 01:41:27,810
Air Force Base detachment 3 or whatever

2109
01:41:33,950 --> 01:41:30,570
if any like lessons learned studies were

2110
01:41:35,479 --> 01:41:33,960
done or are being done now on to

2111
01:41:37,220 --> 01:41:35,489
theoretically what they would have done

2112
01:41:38,600 --> 01:41:37,230
and you know because there's every

2113
01:41:40,450 --> 01:41:38,610
chance it could happen again and next

2114
01:41:42,680 --> 01:41:40,460
time I might actually really happen so

2115
01:41:45,470 --> 01:41:42,690
the thing is you know protesters have

2116
01:41:47,089 --> 01:41:45,480
always been a problem inning but the in

2117
01:41:49,550 --> 01:41:47,099
in England in the 80s or so many

2118
01:41:51,050 --> 01:41:49,560
protesters out and you can add sites

2119
01:41:53,899 --> 01:41:51,060
that the Parliament had to develop

2120
01:41:55,430 --> 01:41:53,909
thousands and thousands of pages of the

2121
01:41:57,350 --> 01:41:55,440
battle doctrine and and and

2122
01:41:59,629 --> 01:41:57,360
incarceration doctrine over how to

2123
01:42:00,890 --> 01:41:59,639
handle it and and actually had to put it

2124
01:42:02,689 --> 01:42:00,900
into effect so maybe one day it will

2125
01:42:04,459 --> 01:42:02,699
happen and those lessons learn which I'm

2126
01:42:08,479 --> 01:42:04,469
hoping to get copies of if they exist

2127
01:42:10,280 --> 01:42:08,489
will tell us tell us precisely what was

2128
01:42:11,780 --> 01:42:10,290
going through the Air Force's heads at

2129
01:42:15,589 --> 01:42:11,790
the time so that's pretty interesting

2130
01:42:17,209 --> 01:42:15,599
stuff okay thank you very much for that

2131
01:42:19,250 --> 01:42:17,219
input Steve Hudgens director of

2132
01:42:22,640 --> 01:42:19,260
investigations if MUFON wanted to ask

2133
01:42:24,319 --> 01:42:22,650
you about the storm area51 topic and I

2134
01:42:28,129 --> 01:42:24,329
did want to mention if anybody wants to

2135
01:42:32,359 --> 01:42:28,139
find out about breaking into US military

2136
01:42:35,540 --> 01:42:32,369
bases and that topic in general all you

2137
01:42:39,310 --> 01:42:35,550
have to do is go to task and purpose

2138
01:42:43,069 --> 01:42:39,320
comm and you will see a great article on

2139
01:42:45,379 --> 01:42:43,079
multiple attempts by many people who

2140
01:42:49,010 --> 01:42:45,389
have tried to break into US military

2141
01:42:52,129 --> 01:42:49,020
bases some successfully some not and the

2142
01:42:55,320 --> 01:42:52,139
website is task and purpose comm Steve

2143
01:42:56,850 --> 01:42:55,330
wanted to ask you what was your thoughts

2144
01:43:00,750 --> 01:42:56,860
what were your thoughts on the storm

2145
01:43:02,430 --> 01:43:00,760
area51 topic well when I first heard

2146
01:43:04,800 --> 01:43:02,440
about it I thought it was kind of funny

2147
01:43:07,440 --> 01:43:04,810
at first and then as it started to

2148
01:43:08,520 --> 01:43:07,450
gradually gain speed I said oh boy

2149
01:43:12,150 --> 01:43:08,530
they're gonna be in for a big surprise

2150
01:43:14,610 --> 01:43:12,160
when they get there and my biggest

2151
01:43:16,320 --> 01:43:14,620
concern was once they all get there how

2152
01:43:18,390 --> 01:43:16,330
they going to get enough gasoline to get

2153
01:43:20,670 --> 01:43:18,400
back out because there that's pretty

2154
01:43:23,160 --> 01:43:20,680
limited over there when you get but my

2155
01:43:25,050 --> 01:43:23,170
biggest concern is what's going to

2156
01:43:26,670 --> 01:43:25,060
happen next year because all of the ones

2157
01:43:28,140 --> 01:43:26,680
that are thinking like me like oh it's a

2158
01:43:30,660 --> 01:43:28,150
waste of time is stupid know this guy

2159
01:43:34,020 --> 01:43:30,670
well they're gonna go just to go it's

2160
01:43:36,660 --> 01:43:34,030
like the new Woodstock so next year is

2161
01:43:38,970 --> 01:43:36,670
going to be going to be funny and the

2162
01:43:41,700 --> 01:43:38,980
people there at Roswell there they'll be

2163
01:43:45,720 --> 01:43:41,710
prepared for it and they're gonna be

2164
01:43:47,190 --> 01:43:45,730
rich for it's over with okay well

2165
01:43:49,140 --> 01:43:47,200
there's a few people left I wanted to

2166
01:43:50,730 --> 01:43:49,150
ask about this topic but I'd also like

2167
01:43:53,540 --> 01:43:50,740
to bring up something very interesting

2168
01:43:57,240 --> 01:43:53,550
that happened regarding this topic a

2169
01:44:00,480 --> 01:43:57,250
little bit and that is there was a

2170
01:44:03,660 --> 01:44:00,490
lawsuit by I think five to six different

2171
01:44:05,820 --> 01:44:03,670
people regarding environmental hazards

2172
01:44:08,610 --> 01:44:05,830
that they believe are environmental

2173
01:44:10,980 --> 01:44:08,620
crimes related to area 51 they were

2174
01:44:13,590 --> 01:44:10,990
contractors that worked there and they

2175
01:44:15,540 --> 01:44:13,600
got very ill and they brought a lawsuit

2176
01:44:17,730 --> 01:44:15,550
against the US government regarding that

2177
01:44:19,520 --> 01:44:17,740
if anybody wants to see that interesting

2178
01:44:22,770 --> 01:44:19,530
article that is in The Washington Post

2179
01:44:26,700 --> 01:44:22,780
just look up Washington Post and type in

2180
01:44:29,640 --> 01:44:26,710
area 51 lawsuits Washington Post article

2181
01:44:32,670 --> 01:44:29,650
and Bill Clinton under presidential

2182
01:44:35,400 --> 01:44:32,680
determination decided he needs to renew

2183
01:44:37,560 --> 01:44:35,410
annually a decree that he created I

2184
01:44:40,920 --> 01:44:37,570
believe a potential evidence related to

2185
01:44:43,530 --> 01:44:40,930
any kinds of these cases that they are

2186
01:44:46,200 --> 01:44:43,540
all considered classified top-secret

2187
01:44:48,480 --> 01:44:46,210
matter of national security and that it

2188
01:44:51,120 --> 01:44:48,490
is in the paramount interest of us that

2189
01:44:53,160 --> 01:44:51,130
none of any of these lawsuits regarding

2190
01:44:55,350 --> 01:44:53,170
the materials and what they're alleging

2191
01:44:59,250 --> 01:44:55,360
happened to them that would that made

2192
01:45:00,870 --> 01:44:59,260
them sick one person died to actually be

2193
01:45:01,680 --> 01:45:00,880
revealed that none of it should be

2194
01:45:04,740 --> 01:45:01,690
disclosed

2195
01:45:06,690 --> 01:45:04,750
anyway wanted to ask anybody left we

2196
01:45:08,360 --> 01:45:06,700
have on the panel who have not touched

2197
01:45:10,670 --> 01:45:08,370
on this topic dink

2198
01:45:12,500 --> 01:45:10,680
irena Scott has not had the opportunity

2199
01:45:17,990 --> 01:45:12,510
what was your thought process on the

2200
01:45:20,480 --> 01:45:18,000
storm area51 topic doctor arena I think

2201
01:45:24,440 --> 01:45:20,490
you have your mic muted just so you know

2202
01:45:27,230 --> 01:45:24,450
I already missed my opportunity because

2203
01:45:30,050 --> 01:45:27,240
I lived in Nevada right after I got

2204
01:45:32,450 --> 01:45:30,060
married my husband had worked for area

2205
01:45:36,650 --> 01:45:32,460
51 and he could have showed me around

2206
01:45:38,390 --> 01:45:36,660
and answered questions and things I can

2207
01:45:39,890 --> 01:45:38,400
get on base because I didn't have a

2208
01:45:41,840 --> 01:45:39,900
clearance and he was no longer working

2209
01:45:45,110 --> 01:45:41,850
there but I could have found out a lot

2210
01:45:47,720 --> 01:45:45,120
and I didn't have a particle winners so

2211
01:45:50,510 --> 01:45:47,730
I guess I missed it so I didn't feel

2212
01:45:52,610 --> 01:45:50,520
like going again but you know you he

2213
01:45:54,380 --> 01:45:52,620
said that when he worked there that a

2214
01:45:57,260 --> 01:45:54,390
lot of the workers he had a high

2215
01:45:58,730 --> 01:45:57,270
clearance and if he were in with you

2216
01:46:01,070 --> 01:45:58,740
know experimental airplane or something

2217
01:46:03,710 --> 01:46:01,080
that the workers weren't allowed to see

2218
01:46:05,270 --> 01:46:03,720
the airplanes or even look at them so

2219
01:46:07,220 --> 01:46:05,280
there probably be a lot of people in

2220
01:46:10,610 --> 01:46:07,230
area 51 that basically didn't know too

2221
01:46:15,350 --> 01:46:10,620
much about it guess that's all you know

2222
01:46:19,700 --> 01:46:15,360
I otherwise I just didn't think anybody

2223
01:46:23,330 --> 01:46:19,710
actually be storming it right yes

2224
01:46:25,550 --> 01:46:23,340
understood and Spyros although you feel

2225
01:46:28,400 --> 01:46:25,560
like you are not a member of the UFO

2226
01:46:30,890 --> 01:46:28,410
community directly maybe maybe

2227
01:46:34,160 --> 01:46:30,900
indirectly I don't know you tell us what

2228
01:46:37,130 --> 01:46:34,170
was your thought process when you heard

2229
01:46:39,740 --> 01:46:37,140
or your opinion rather on folks who

2230
01:46:42,290 --> 01:46:39,750
really wanted to star Mariya 51 and

2231
01:46:44,720 --> 01:46:42,300
others who wanted the topic in the news

2232
01:46:46,460 --> 01:46:44,730
for educational reasons so folks would

2233
01:46:49,400 --> 01:46:46,470
want to learn more about the UFO topic

2234
01:46:54,650 --> 01:46:49,410
what what were your perspectives on any

2235
01:46:59,300 --> 01:46:54,660
angle of it my original feeling was

2236
01:47:00,410 --> 01:46:59,310
these are not UFO people they're not

2237
01:47:02,840 --> 01:47:00,420
they're not researchers they're not

2238
01:47:03,380 --> 01:47:02,850
bonafide researchers they are members of

2239
01:47:05,690 --> 01:47:03,390
the public

2240
01:47:08,750 --> 01:47:05,700
they are the Star Trek convention goers

2241
01:47:12,710 --> 01:47:08,760
they're the because because there was no

2242
01:47:14,900 --> 01:47:12,720
thought given to to the the the

2243
01:47:17,870 --> 01:47:14,910
initiative we're gonna Bob we're gonna

2244
01:47:20,330 --> 01:47:17,880
raid somewhere that we're gonna get shot

2245
01:47:22,790 --> 01:47:20,340
at it's just not this is ridiculous

2246
01:47:25,430 --> 01:47:22,800
thought so it couldn't have been a sea

2247
01:47:28,520 --> 01:47:25,440
a serious movement but the problem is

2248
01:47:29,990 --> 01:47:28,530
that one person making a joke you know

2249
01:47:31,910 --> 01:47:30,000
this how religions start you know you

2250
01:47:33,560 --> 01:47:31,920
one person says I'm in ridiculous and a

2251
01:47:35,330 --> 01:47:33,570
few people follow them and the next

2252
01:47:38,240 --> 01:47:35,340
thing you know there's a cult and and

2253
01:47:42,140 --> 01:47:38,250
this is a human race I'm not I I just

2254
01:47:45,200 --> 01:47:42,150
feel that it did no good at all to the

2255
01:47:48,680 --> 01:47:45,210
subject the credibility was shot it from

2256
01:47:50,120 --> 01:47:48,690
from you know how many how many serious

2257
01:47:52,850 --> 01:47:50,130
researchers were involved in this

2258
01:47:55,160 --> 01:47:52,860
movement and I think what what mr. Hall

2259
01:47:58,160 --> 01:47:55,170
did was great because he brought it back

2260
01:47:59,270 --> 01:47:58,170
down to earth okay because it could have

2261
01:48:00,979 --> 01:47:59,280
gone mental it could have gone

2262
01:48:04,280 --> 01:48:00,989
completely mad because the people that

2263
01:48:06,560 --> 01:48:04,290
were worth going there were going there

2264
01:48:10,609 --> 01:48:06,570
for a purpose it turned out to be a

2265
01:48:12,260 --> 01:48:10,619
party but our way to believe that

2266
01:48:14,750 --> 01:48:12,270
everyone went there to have a party

2267
01:48:18,020 --> 01:48:14,760
I think everyone went mr. storm area 51

2268
01:48:20,839 --> 01:48:18,030
that was the idea they didn't think it

2269
01:48:23,270 --> 01:48:20,849
through and it could have got nasty and

2270
01:48:26,810 --> 01:48:23,280
I think it turned out they turned out

2271
01:48:28,790 --> 01:48:26,820
for the better but where's the

2272
01:48:32,000 --> 01:48:28,800
credibility in the whole thing where

2273
01:48:35,240 --> 01:48:32,010
where is it ability who's who led it not

2274
01:48:36,859 --> 01:48:35,250
not the UFO community not not the people

2275
01:48:38,540 --> 01:48:36,869
that are not the people on this list for

2276
01:48:44,020 --> 01:48:38,550
example that are on this call right now

2277
01:48:50,000 --> 01:48:47,229
by the way yeah yeah I agree absolutely

2278
01:48:52,850 --> 01:48:50,010
so so what are we doing we're giving

2279
01:48:55,910 --> 01:48:52,860
we're giving airtime to a load of

2280
01:48:58,629 --> 01:48:55,920
lunatics who who didn't think it through

2281
01:49:01,790 --> 01:48:58,639
they thought it was it'll be a good idea

2282
01:49:06,649 --> 01:49:01,800
nothing worse you know the area can't

2283
01:49:08,209 --> 01:49:06,659
take the amount of people somebody's

2284
01:49:10,189 --> 01:49:08,219
already saying somebody really stated

2285
01:49:11,750 --> 01:49:10,199
how they're gonna get back is there

2286
01:49:15,109 --> 01:49:11,760
other facilities there for those people

2287
01:49:17,300 --> 01:49:15,119
and and it just it's just the whole

2288
01:49:19,520 --> 01:49:17,310
thing wasn't thought through I'm glad

2289
01:49:21,919 --> 01:49:19,530
I'm glad the government didn't have to

2290
01:49:25,069 --> 01:49:21,929
retaliate because if they did have to

2291
01:49:27,859 --> 01:49:25,079
retaliate will they be the bad guys yes

2292
01:49:29,720 --> 01:49:27,869
exactly now it's very completely that's

2293
01:49:31,549 --> 01:49:29,730
a big question they're defending the

2294
01:49:35,540 --> 01:49:31,559
country the very country these people

2295
01:49:37,819 --> 01:49:35,550
are questioning so so

2296
01:49:40,669 --> 01:49:37,829
yeah you know anyone that's been to

2297
01:49:42,979 --> 01:49:40,679
Roswell knows that you know it they a

2298
01:49:46,189 --> 01:49:42,989
lot of people dining out on this subject

2299
01:49:48,439 --> 01:49:46,199
and I think there's just another circus

2300
01:49:51,709 --> 01:49:48,449
it's just another reason to have a party

2301
01:49:55,040 --> 01:49:51,719
but hey we all need to have a reason to

2302
01:49:55,819 --> 01:49:55,050
have a party yeah exactly I just I just

2303
01:49:58,250 --> 01:49:55,829
like that

2304
01:50:04,069 --> 01:49:58,260
what Spiro said I like my steak sub

2305
01:50:05,810 --> 01:50:04,079
medium thank you go ahead sparrows I'm

2306
01:50:06,020 --> 01:50:05,820
all for having a party now don't get me

2307
01:50:08,780 --> 01:50:06,030
wrong

2308
01:50:11,030 --> 01:50:08,790
you know but the subjects serious

2309
01:50:12,709 --> 01:50:11,040
subject you know if you're asking me to

2310
01:50:14,089 --> 01:50:12,719
believe that there are aliens and if

2311
01:50:15,830 --> 01:50:14,099
you're asking me to believe that they're

2312
01:50:19,549 --> 01:50:15,840
visiting this planet and you're giving

2313
01:50:21,500 --> 01:50:19,559
me no credibility at all then then it is

2314
01:50:24,169 --> 01:50:21,510
just a bit of fun and if that's what it

2315
01:50:25,520 --> 01:50:24,179
is then we should say so we should say

2316
01:50:27,410 --> 01:50:25,530
you know what guys wouldn't read know

2317
01:50:31,669 --> 01:50:27,420
what's going on here it's just a bit of

2318
01:50:34,280 --> 01:50:31,679
fun because product curve curve to infer

2319
01:50:36,530 --> 01:50:34,290
this is M by the way and before it

2320
01:50:39,620 --> 01:50:36,540
continue I would love to just honor

2321
01:50:43,430 --> 01:50:39,630
everybody that showed up today and my

2322
01:50:46,030 --> 01:50:43,440
ability to be with you you guys have all

2323
01:50:51,560 --> 01:50:46,040
done some great things in the field and

2324
01:50:55,270 --> 01:50:51,570
we all appreciate it so I'm not sure

2325
01:50:59,629 --> 01:50:55,280
that we can qualify or even quantify how

2326
01:51:01,459 --> 01:50:59,639
and what people were thinking and I

2327
01:51:05,209 --> 01:51:01,469
think what Michael did was take a

2328
01:51:07,250 --> 01:51:05,219
situation that was going to happen and I

2329
01:51:08,629 --> 01:51:07,260
I don't believe that people really

2330
01:51:11,089 --> 01:51:08,639
thought they were going to storm area51

2331
01:51:13,609 --> 01:51:11,099
bottom line they're more intelligent

2332
01:51:15,890 --> 01:51:13,619
than that but they are available

2333
01:51:17,149 --> 01:51:15,900
everybody was oh hey we've got an

2334
01:51:19,700 --> 01:51:17,159
opportunity to take a road trip and

2335
01:51:22,609 --> 01:51:19,710
maybe party and maybe turn this into a

2336
01:51:24,770 --> 01:51:22,619
ufology Burning Man or something of that

2337
01:51:26,060 --> 01:51:24,780
nature as we go forward I mean

2338
01:51:30,439 --> 01:51:26,070
everybody's looking for a place in the

2339
01:51:32,240 --> 01:51:30,449
desert to party right I did want to give

2340
01:51:34,040 --> 01:51:32,250
some input on that and said thank you so

2341
01:51:36,379 --> 01:51:34,050
much for your invaluable input on that

2342
01:51:38,120 --> 01:51:36,389
topic wanted to share a few interesting

2343
01:51:40,240 --> 01:51:38,130
things that have happened at some US

2344
01:51:42,530 --> 01:51:40,250
military bases and I'll be very brief

2345
01:51:45,470 --> 01:51:42,540
then brought up a very interesting point

2346
01:51:47,510 --> 01:51:45,480
that was said kind of ad nauseam in my

2347
01:51:49,040 --> 01:51:47,520
opinion and that was uh you know people

2348
01:51:49,460 --> 01:51:49,050
aren't really going to break into area

2349
01:51:51,740 --> 01:51:49,470
fit

2350
01:51:54,230 --> 01:51:51,750
one why would anybody say that it's it's

2351
01:51:58,700 --> 01:51:54,240
just metaphorical metaphorical value is

2352
01:52:00,170 --> 01:51:58,710
what's being Mical emote 'add a few

2353
01:52:02,540 --> 01:52:00,180
things that have happened one last year

2354
01:52:04,340 --> 01:52:02,550
April 3rd in Colorado a man drove

2355
01:52:08,630 --> 01:52:04,350
forward with the minivan loaded with

2356
01:52:10,960 --> 01:52:08,640
propane tanks into a let's see a series

2357
01:52:13,040 --> 01:52:10,970
of bizarre incidents security incidents

2358
01:52:15,530 --> 01:52:13,050
involving a military installations

2359
01:52:18,800 --> 01:52:15,540
across the United States he went into a

2360
01:52:20,570 --> 01:52:18,810
military base with that another one was

2361
01:52:22,580 --> 01:52:20,580
February 14th

2362
01:52:24,380 --> 01:52:22,590
there was three men who managed to

2363
01:52:26,480 --> 01:52:24,390
breach a gate that led to the National

2364
01:52:27,290 --> 01:52:26,490
Security Agency's main complex in Fort

2365
01:52:29,330 --> 01:52:27,300
Meade Maryland

2366
01:52:31,430 --> 01:52:29,340
another was February 22nd an

2367
01:52:34,160 --> 01:52:31,440
unidentified man rolled up at the front

2368
01:52:37,340 --> 01:52:34,170
gate to a Naval Base Kitsap in

2369
01:52:39,080 --> 01:52:37,350
Washington State claiming his SUV and

2370
01:52:41,660 --> 01:52:39,090
his body were loaded with explosives

2371
01:52:43,460 --> 01:52:41,670
February 28th first responders rushed to

2372
01:52:45,560 --> 01:52:43,470
Joint Base myer-henderson Hall in

2373
01:52:47,270 --> 01:52:45,570
Virginia after an envelope contained an

2374
01:52:49,400 --> 01:52:47,280
unknown substance ended up sickening

2375
01:52:52,370 --> 01:52:49,410
unless at least 11 personnel with

2376
01:52:56,360 --> 01:52:52,380
symptoms that ranged from burning

2377
01:52:58,450 --> 01:52:56,370
sensations to worse March 27th federal

2378
01:53:00,740 --> 01:52:58,460
law enforcement arrested 43 year old

2379
01:53:03,050 --> 01:53:00,750
gentlemen on suspicion is sending

2380
01:53:05,150 --> 01:53:03,060
several suspicious packages to one of

2381
01:53:07,910 --> 01:53:05,160
the military installations there's quite

2382
01:53:12,620 --> 01:53:07,920
a long list of military installation

2383
01:53:15,760 --> 01:53:12,630
related incidents were civilians both

2384
01:53:19,390 --> 01:53:15,770
inside and from outside this country

2385
01:53:22,940 --> 01:53:19,400
trying to cause issues that cause major

2386
01:53:25,640 --> 01:53:22,950
security alarms to go forward so that's

2387
01:53:27,950 --> 01:53:25,650
why some people were worried that there

2388
01:53:31,670 --> 01:53:27,960
could be some potential issues regarding

2389
01:53:33,970 --> 01:53:31,680
that topic wanted to move on to probably

2390
01:53:36,140 --> 01:53:33,980
winding down this interview we want to

2391
01:53:38,570 --> 01:53:36,150
all ask Frank if there's any other

2392
01:53:39,980 --> 01:53:38,580
topics he wants to cover but the one

2393
01:53:42,470 --> 01:53:39,990
last thing I wanted to mention about

2394
01:53:45,800 --> 01:53:42,480
area 51 I think everybody needs to know

2395
01:53:48,380 --> 01:53:45,810
is that if you were to really break into

2396
01:53:51,830 --> 01:53:48,390
that base and have your way and just

2397
01:53:54,160 --> 01:53:51,840
walk around freely please know that base

2398
01:53:57,770 --> 01:53:54,170
is known to possibly have nuclear

2399
01:53:59,810 --> 01:53:57,780
material so if you break into that base

2400
01:54:02,960 --> 01:53:59,820
you're putting all of us at risk

2401
01:54:03,350 --> 01:54:02,970
regarding that so anyway Frank did you

2402
01:54:04,880 --> 01:54:03,360
have

2403
01:54:06,350 --> 01:54:04,890
another topic you wanted to cover so we

2404
01:54:09,260 --> 01:54:06,360
can go ahead and wind down the interview

2405
01:54:11,990 --> 01:54:09,270
well yeah I wanted to double back to the

2406
01:54:14,390 --> 01:54:12,000
the TTS a show and get some more

2407
01:54:17,420 --> 01:54:14,400
feedback gin older time you've been a

2408
01:54:18,950 --> 01:54:17,430
critic of TTS a in the past just curious

2409
01:54:22,640 --> 01:54:18,960
to see if you watch the show and what

2410
01:54:28,300 --> 01:54:22,650
you thought of it I'm not a critic and I

2411
01:54:32,000 --> 01:54:28,310
have no problem with people trying to

2412
01:54:35,510 --> 01:54:32,010
earn some money off of ufology in fact

2413
01:54:42,310 --> 01:54:35,520
we need to do that we need we need to

2414
01:54:45,410 --> 01:54:42,320
fund our research somehow I do have a

2415
01:54:47,270 --> 01:54:45,420
rather sharply disagree with a couple of

2416
01:54:56,350 --> 01:54:47,280
things that they're they've been into

2417
01:55:01,550 --> 01:54:56,360
like the Italian per presentation and

2418
01:55:08,720 --> 01:55:01,560
supposed meeting there but yeah I'm not

2419
01:55:13,120 --> 01:55:08,730
a critic as such I it's it's hard it's

2420
01:55:15,410 --> 01:55:13,130
hard for me to tell you know exactly

2421
01:55:25,490 --> 01:55:15,420
they've done some good and I think

2422
01:55:28,400 --> 01:55:25,500
they've stretched out what their plan is

2423
01:55:30,680 --> 01:55:28,410
to such an extent that we're getting a

2424
01:55:35,270 --> 01:55:30,690
drip drip drip about what they're going

2425
01:55:41,780 --> 01:55:35,280
to do they haven't seemed to connect

2426
01:55:44,650 --> 01:55:41,790
with with ufology except going to going

2427
01:55:50,540 --> 01:55:44,660
to conferences and you know trying to

2428
01:55:52,660 --> 01:55:50,550
give presentations my criticism would be

2429
01:55:57,250 --> 01:55:52,670
if you've got the goods

2430
01:56:00,950 --> 01:55:57,260
you don't go to ufologist they're there

2431
01:56:04,870 --> 01:56:00,960
at a low level of influence in the

2432
01:56:11,330 --> 01:56:04,880
society they don't have any money and

2433
01:56:15,470 --> 01:56:11,340
quite frankly half of them are crazy so

2434
01:56:17,919 --> 01:56:15,480
you should be out at UCLA Stanford Yale

2435
01:56:23,889 --> 01:56:17,929
Harvard

2436
01:56:30,580 --> 01:56:23,899
presenting whatever you have there I

2437
01:56:42,279 --> 01:56:30,590
don't I I don't want to prejudge their

2438
01:56:47,389 --> 01:56:45,290
okay and anyone else want to jump in on

2439
01:56:52,639 --> 01:56:47,399
their the TTS a show in the year that

2440
01:56:55,819 --> 01:56:52,649
they had sure this is oral okay girl

2441
01:56:58,250 --> 01:56:55,829
oh I'm just hoping that they have more

2442
01:56:59,929 --> 01:56:58,260
goods this coming season since they do

2443
01:57:03,580 --> 01:56:59,939
have a second season I'm guessing that

2444
01:57:06,620 --> 01:57:03,590
they do they do they do it you know what

2445
01:57:08,989 --> 01:57:06,630
Steve said January so that's not too far

2446
01:57:11,719 --> 01:57:08,999
away I hope it's you know something

2447
01:57:14,479 --> 01:57:11,729
comparable to the tic-tac or you know I

2448
01:57:17,569 --> 01:57:14,489
I would like to you know just say that

2449
01:57:20,620 --> 01:57:17,579
there it there really is no slow season

2450
01:57:24,229 --> 01:57:20,630
with the UFO there are always good

2451
01:57:26,330 --> 01:57:24,239
contemporary UFO cases I mean I I have I

2452
01:57:29,179 --> 01:57:26,340
closed them myself

2453
01:57:31,549 --> 01:57:29,189
you know just in in in California we've

2454
01:57:35,060 --> 01:57:31,559
had some wonderful cases the last year

2455
01:57:38,299 --> 01:57:35,070
but I think that you know the what

2456
01:57:40,100 --> 01:57:38,309
unidentified and what t TSA has it's a

2457
01:57:42,319 --> 01:57:40,110
platform where they can reach many

2458
01:57:45,729 --> 01:57:42,329
people and I wish that there were more

2459
01:57:50,779 --> 01:57:45,739
platforms available for you know sharing

2460
01:57:53,959 --> 01:57:50,789
contemporary UFO reports because there's

2461
01:57:56,569 --> 01:57:53,969
there's never a lack of good UFO reports

2462
01:57:59,779 --> 01:57:56,579
it's just I think where the lack is is a

2463
01:58:02,509 --> 01:57:59,789
way to get those out to the public I

2464
01:58:04,310 --> 01:58:02,519
think back when when MUFON had their old

2465
01:58:07,669 --> 01:58:04,320
hangar one show that that was a good

2466
01:58:09,560 --> 01:58:07,679
platform to get things out and and there

2467
01:58:13,549 --> 01:58:09,570
were a lot of contemporary reports that

2468
01:58:15,139 --> 01:58:13,559
people hadn't heard of before there but

2469
01:58:16,729 --> 01:58:15,149
now there's no you know there's no

2470
01:58:19,370 --> 01:58:16,739
hangar one show and there isn't anything

2471
01:58:21,709 --> 01:58:19,380
that's really filled that vacuum and it

2472
01:58:24,229 --> 01:58:21,719
would be really good if there was you

2473
01:58:27,370 --> 01:58:24,239
know we keep mulling the same few cases

2474
01:58:30,409 --> 01:58:27,380
and in great cases you know Roswell and

2475
01:58:33,919 --> 01:58:30,419
Rendlesham and and the show

2476
01:58:37,609 --> 01:58:33,929
go hare story the jl flight in alaska

2477
01:58:40,459 --> 01:58:37,619
etc etc but those same cases just keep

2478
01:58:42,699 --> 01:58:40,469
on getting mold over and retold when

2479
01:58:46,790 --> 01:58:42,709
there's such an embarrassment of riches

2480
01:58:49,100 --> 01:58:46,800
actually uh in the field there are many

2481
01:58:52,449 --> 01:58:49,110
many really really good reports that are

2482
01:58:55,310 --> 01:58:52,459
contemporary that are ongoing as far as

2483
01:58:57,500 --> 01:58:55,320
investigations go well you did the earl

2484
01:59:00,350 --> 01:58:57,510
you did the show with the brothers a few

2485
01:59:04,580 --> 01:59:00,360
months back and that went well you came

2486
01:59:06,319 --> 01:59:04,590
off great and you know is that like a

2487
01:59:07,879 --> 01:59:06,329
one-shot deal for those guys are they

2488
01:59:10,879 --> 01:59:07,889
going to do more shows or don't you know

2489
01:59:13,310 --> 01:59:10,889
uh you know i so far I haven't heard

2490
01:59:15,080 --> 01:59:13,320
that they have gotten a series yet but

2491
01:59:16,549 --> 01:59:15,090
they're being kind of mom about it but

2492
01:59:19,250 --> 01:59:16,559
they did say that I was going to be

2493
01:59:20,989 --> 01:59:19,260
there you know go to MUFON guy but you

2494
01:59:23,479 --> 01:59:20,999
know people say a lot of stuff haven't

2495
01:59:26,509 --> 01:59:23,489
you know signed a contract with anybody

2496
01:59:28,909 --> 01:59:26,519
yet I mean I'm doing a presently right

2497
01:59:32,859 --> 01:59:28,919
now my state director Jeff Crouse and

2498
01:59:36,290 --> 01:59:32,869
myself are working with Amazon Prime

2499
01:59:38,709 --> 01:59:36,300
documentary on the subject and and we

2500
01:59:40,790 --> 01:59:38,719
were bringing up our own cases

2501
01:59:43,100 --> 01:59:40,800
contemporary stuff and so hopefully

2502
01:59:45,020 --> 01:59:43,110
that'll give us a little platform but

2503
01:59:46,310 --> 01:59:45,030
there needs to be something like you

2504
01:59:49,189 --> 01:59:46,320
know I mean when you have the Travel

2505
01:59:52,729 --> 01:59:49,199
Channel like I offered contemporary

2506
01:59:54,620 --> 01:59:52,739
cases to that show and right right they

2507
01:59:56,540 --> 01:59:54,630
weren't really interested they kind of

2508
01:59:58,639 --> 01:59:56,550
just wanted me to comment on the tick

2509
02:00:01,790 --> 01:59:58,649
tack which I was happy to do it's a good

2510
02:00:04,149 --> 02:00:01,800
case they had one they actually had one

2511
02:00:06,589 --> 02:00:04,159
case that was the Golden Knights

2512
02:00:08,750 --> 02:00:06,599
parachute team and I recognized it I

2513
02:00:11,569 --> 02:00:08,760
said well I'm not going to be able to I

2514
02:00:13,370 --> 02:00:11,579
can debunk this one for you guys on air

2515
02:00:15,620 --> 02:00:13,380
because I you know just go to North

2516
02:00:17,719 --> 02:00:15,630
Carolina look at football stadiums and

2517
02:00:19,520 --> 02:00:17,729
see where they were you know doing their

2518
02:00:21,259 --> 02:00:19,530
thing yeah what they do is that with

2519
02:00:23,270 --> 02:00:21,269
that they jump out of planes they

2520
02:00:25,939 --> 02:00:23,280
usually have a flares with them as well

2521
02:00:28,370 --> 02:00:25,949
yeah they do the night jumps and they

2522
02:00:30,770 --> 02:00:28,380
start with a huddle so it looks like one

2523
02:00:33,229 --> 02:00:30,780
object and then they they branch off and

2524
02:00:35,689 --> 02:00:33,239
they create like a little constellation

2525
02:00:38,479 --> 02:00:35,699
in the sky over over stadiums and

2526
02:00:40,189 --> 02:00:38,489
what-have-you and that's what it was we

2527
02:00:42,229 --> 02:00:40,199
actually did that on camera but they

2528
02:00:44,010 --> 02:00:42,239
didn't use the debunk which I was kind

2529
02:00:45,270 --> 02:00:44,020
of sad about because

2530
02:00:47,430 --> 02:00:45,280
I told well that that's going to give

2531
02:00:50,460 --> 02:00:47,440
you more credibility right exactly

2532
02:00:53,270 --> 02:00:50,470
existing isn't a UFO the other ones are

2533
02:00:56,340 --> 02:00:53,280
UFOs but this one and I'm certainly not

2534
02:01:05,250 --> 02:00:56,350
I do note that they found time for Rick

2535
02:01:07,110 --> 02:01:05,260
Doty is your co-star down yeah yeah so

2536
02:01:08,670 --> 02:01:07,120
far I don't have any guys not good you

2537
02:01:13,350 --> 02:01:08,680
know in black suits a knocking at the

2538
02:01:14,760 --> 02:01:13,360
door or anything so okay before we end

2539
02:01:18,480 --> 02:01:14,770
the show I definitely have to mention

2540
02:01:20,580 --> 02:01:18,490
chase klutz keys movie extraordinary the

2541
02:01:23,790 --> 02:01:20,590
seating a little bit about it so I just

2542
02:01:26,130 --> 02:01:23,800
wanted to kind of remind Frank about

2543
02:01:31,070 --> 02:01:26,140
that is there anybody else that wants to

2544
02:01:33,750 --> 02:01:31,080
touch on the TSA topic and how 2019

2545
02:01:38,400 --> 02:01:33,760
according to the author who wrote the

2546
02:01:40,590 --> 02:01:38,410
cut article Katie Haney said this 2019

2547
02:01:42,840 --> 02:01:40,600
was a year famed ufologist and former

2548
02:01:47,600 --> 02:01:42,850
blink-182 member Tom DeLonge was proved

2549
02:01:51,780 --> 02:01:47,610
right about UFOs any any input on that

2550
02:01:55,710 --> 02:01:51,790
comment there and the tts a topic in

2551
02:01:58,050 --> 02:01:55,720
general chant this is Stacey I have

2552
02:02:01,440 --> 02:01:58,060
something that I wanted to maybe ask our

2553
02:02:04,140 --> 02:02:01,450
our panel here today and that is the the

2554
02:02:07,320 --> 02:02:04,150
very last episode of unidentified the

2555
02:02:09,240 --> 02:02:07,330
very ending was Lewis Elizondo and he

2556
02:02:12,360 --> 02:02:09,250
was being asked by the reporter can the

2557
02:02:14,160 --> 02:02:12,370
public handle the truth and Lou just got

2558
02:02:15,840 --> 02:02:14,170
this disgusted look on his face and

2559
02:02:20,820 --> 02:02:15,850
shook his head and stood up and walked

2560
02:02:22,500 --> 02:02:20,830
off camera by that myself I thought well

2561
02:02:25,410 --> 02:02:22,510
what does he mean by that

2562
02:02:27,780 --> 02:02:25,420
that's a stupid stupid question or he

2563
02:02:30,030 --> 02:02:27,790
doesn't have to answer or the answer is

2564
02:02:31,440 --> 02:02:30,040
obvious i I'm just confused by his

2565
02:02:32,400 --> 02:02:31,450
actions there what does everyone else

2566
02:02:36,000 --> 02:02:32,410
think about that

2567
02:02:38,640 --> 02:02:36,010
great question Thank You Stacey yeah I

2568
02:02:41,430 --> 02:02:38,650
kind of barely remember that the one

2569
02:02:43,020 --> 02:02:41,440
that so I can't really comment too much

2570
02:02:46,650 --> 02:02:43,030
on it it sounds like something that they

2571
02:02:48,420 --> 02:02:46,660
just sort of contrived together but the

2572
02:02:51,840 --> 02:02:48,430
one thing I think was interesting was

2573
02:02:54,960 --> 02:02:51,850
when Allison Doe was at the scu

2574
02:02:56,320 --> 02:02:54,970
conference in Alabama in Huntsville I

2575
02:02:58,120 --> 02:02:56,330
guess was early

2576
02:03:00,250 --> 02:02:58,130
this year maybe even last year that was

2577
02:03:01,780 --> 02:03:00,260
earlier this year he was there and of

2578
02:03:04,570 --> 02:03:01,790
course was asked about the frequency

2579
02:03:08,620 --> 02:03:04,580
question how often do these kind of

2580
02:03:10,090 --> 02:03:08,630
serious cases cases that make people who

2581
02:03:11,980 --> 02:03:10,100
look at this very carefully scratched

2582
02:03:14,200 --> 02:03:11,990
their heads and go there's no easy

2583
02:03:16,570 --> 02:03:14,210
explanation for that and he said he

2584
02:03:18,910 --> 02:03:16,580
wasn't sure yet during the show then he

2585
02:03:20,800 --> 02:03:18,920
said well it's a very sensitive number

2586
02:03:23,980 --> 02:03:20,810
so we're getting kind of mixed messages

2587
02:03:27,790 --> 02:03:23,990
there as far as the actual frequency of

2588
02:03:30,640 --> 02:03:27,800
truly extraordinary cases that might

2589
02:03:32,260 --> 02:03:30,650
have a witness sighting as well as some

2590
02:03:34,420 --> 02:03:32,270
physical backup in the way of remote

2591
02:03:36,520 --> 02:03:34,430
sensing data like radar so I thought

2592
02:03:39,100 --> 02:03:36,530
that was pretty interesting and just

2593
02:03:40,540 --> 02:03:39,110
before we let everybody go I get some

2594
02:03:42,970 --> 02:03:40,550
thoughts on that but what about this

2595
02:03:43,420 --> 02:03:42,980
frequency question I think got most of

2596
02:03:45,940 --> 02:03:43,430
us sir

2597
02:03:48,160 --> 02:03:45,950
at least if not reasonably well

2598
02:03:51,880 --> 02:03:48,170
convinced then at least open to the idea

2599
02:03:55,090 --> 02:03:51,890
that some of these UFOs are in fact some

2600
02:03:57,610 --> 02:03:55,100
form of extraterrestrial and just wanted

2601
02:04:00,760 --> 02:03:57,620
to know what everyone that thinks about

2602
02:04:04,810 --> 02:04:00,770
the frequency question because of it

2603
02:04:06,610 --> 02:04:04,820
can't be happening that much and but but

2604
02:04:09,460 --> 02:04:06,620
it does seem to be happening with some

2605
02:04:11,680 --> 02:04:09,470
regularity spread out over a long period

2606
02:04:17,700 --> 02:04:11,690
of time anyone have any thoughts on all

2607
02:04:19,930 --> 02:04:17,710
that well I want to jump in about the

2608
02:04:25,210 --> 02:04:19,940
comment about whether the public is

2609
02:04:27,700 --> 02:04:25,220
ready for the information and I just

2610
02:04:31,300 --> 02:04:27,710
want to point out that there's still a

2611
02:04:34,450 --> 02:04:31,310
very high percentage of the world and

2612
02:04:38,740 --> 02:04:34,460
the United States that still feel that

2613
02:04:42,190 --> 02:04:38,750
the phenomenon goes into the realm of

2614
02:04:43,540 --> 02:04:42,200
the ridiculous and will ostracize you if

2615
02:04:52,320 --> 02:04:43,550
you mention the topic

2616
02:04:55,210 --> 02:04:52,330
so as a conglomerate of UFO enthusiasts

2617
02:04:59,590 --> 02:04:55,220
researchers and authors what we need to

2618
02:05:01,210 --> 02:04:59,600
do is to work towards legitimizing this

2619
02:05:04,270 --> 02:05:01,220
topic

2620
02:05:05,770 --> 02:05:04,280
I don't anyone knows they are Borden who

2621
02:05:07,129 --> 02:05:05,780
recently well they passed away a couple

2622
02:05:09,919 --> 02:05:07,139
years ago

2623
02:05:14,740 --> 02:05:09,929
he and I and a few other people were

2624
02:05:18,350 --> 02:05:14,750
trying to work to standardize the

2625
02:05:22,640 --> 02:05:18,360
reporting procedure of the phenomenon

2626
02:05:25,370 --> 02:05:22,650
and he was working towards getting the

2627
02:05:28,540 --> 02:05:25,380
topic itself legitimized to the point of

2628
02:05:31,510 --> 02:05:28,550
being a a topic in universities

2629
02:05:37,820 --> 02:05:31,520
unfortunately passed away and and that

2630
02:05:42,729 --> 02:05:37,830
effort is who's now lost but we're still

2631
02:05:48,770 --> 02:05:42,739
not at the point where we can have

2632
02:05:56,439 --> 02:05:48,780
enough support to to force disclosure or

2633
02:06:00,680 --> 02:05:56,449
to to have to have a topic where it is

2634
02:06:06,770 --> 02:06:00,690
considered as a respectable topic in in

2635
02:06:09,320 --> 02:06:06,780
the general public all right

2636
02:06:13,700 --> 02:06:09,330
and anyone else want to jump in before

2637
02:06:20,240 --> 02:06:13,710
we wrap up I'd like to make one question

2638
02:06:27,669 --> 02:06:20,250
this is in again do we really show a

2639
02:06:31,220 --> 02:06:27,679
unified front to the public or is it the

2640
02:06:33,979 --> 02:06:31,230
dichotomous views within ufology that

2641
02:06:38,959 --> 02:06:33,989
continues to fuel the public's reticence

2642
02:06:41,330 --> 02:06:38,969
to accept us as real well I I don't

2643
02:06:43,250 --> 02:06:41,340
think it's a unified beyond the fact

2644
02:06:45,500 --> 02:06:43,260
that that we're all very much into this

2645
02:06:47,840 --> 02:06:45,510
subject that beyond that everybody kind

2646
02:06:48,859 --> 02:06:47,850
of goes in their own direction and I

2647
02:06:50,930 --> 02:06:48,869
don't think it's ever going to happen

2648
02:06:53,149 --> 02:06:50,940
where everybody's gonna get on the same

2649
02:06:54,709 --> 02:06:53,159
page as far as every aspect of the

2650
02:06:56,870 --> 02:06:54,719
subject I just don't think it's

2651
02:06:58,459 --> 02:06:56,880
happening it will ever happen it just

2652
02:07:01,120 --> 02:06:58,469
covers too much ground there are too

2653
02:07:04,910 --> 02:07:01,130
many too many things to disagree about

2654
02:07:07,340 --> 02:07:04,920
I'd like to ask spiro spero smeller's

2655
02:07:09,439 --> 02:07:07,350
I'm gonna give you only a few minutes so

2656
02:07:12,080 --> 02:07:09,449
forgive me for momming you here and

2657
02:07:15,080 --> 02:07:12,090
restricting you timewise I'm gonna ask

2658
02:07:20,600 --> 02:07:15,090
you you've had to deal with an awful lot

2659
02:07:23,030 --> 02:07:20,610
of input from folks regarding your

2660
02:07:25,430 --> 02:07:23,040
your fake film the alien autopsy movie

2661
02:07:28,280 --> 02:07:25,440
being real and then the question that

2662
02:07:31,160 --> 02:07:28,290
was just posed right now by Zen do we

2663
02:07:33,290 --> 02:07:31,170
look like a unified force essentially

2664
02:07:36,109 --> 02:07:33,300
regarding the UFO topic the folks that

2665
02:07:39,439 --> 02:07:36,119
are involved in UFO community you've had

2666
02:07:41,450 --> 02:07:39,449
to deal with a lot of flak both in and

2667
02:07:44,930 --> 02:07:41,460
out of the UFO community regarding your

2668
02:07:46,910 --> 02:07:44,940
fake film and also you have a bird's eye

2669
02:07:49,879 --> 02:07:46,920
perspective regarding the UFO community

2670
02:07:52,189 --> 02:07:49,889
and how they may or may not look unified

2671
02:07:54,530 --> 02:07:52,199
to you so if you feel like you can

2672
02:07:56,890 --> 02:07:54,540
answer that in the shortest way possible

2673
02:07:59,990 --> 02:07:56,900
that would be great

2674
02:08:02,120 --> 02:08:00,000
very quickly I think I think if I wanted

2675
02:08:04,340 --> 02:08:02,130
to and if you if you give me the

2676
02:08:06,890 --> 02:08:04,350
challenge I'll take it I could follow

2677
02:08:09,740 --> 02:08:06,900
you all again and I think the reason I

2678
02:08:12,910 --> 02:08:09,750
can do that is because the majority of

2679
02:08:16,700 --> 02:08:12,920
people viewing want to believe and

2680
02:08:18,410 --> 02:08:16,710
whilst that's the case we're never going

2681
02:08:21,620 --> 02:08:18,420
to get a unity we're gonna get the

2682
02:08:23,780 --> 02:08:21,630
people that know the facts like people

2683
02:08:26,600 --> 02:08:23,790
that have seen data and they can see

2684
02:08:28,700 --> 02:08:26,610
things that are credible and then not

2685
02:08:31,220 --> 02:08:28,710
they're not delivering that data in a

2686
02:08:32,660 --> 02:08:31,230
credible way and where they are

2687
02:08:35,240 --> 02:08:32,670
delivering it they're delivering it to

2688
02:08:37,280 --> 02:08:35,250
each other so they're not delivering it

2689
02:08:40,580 --> 02:08:37,290
to the public the public is none the

2690
02:08:43,250 --> 02:08:40,590
wiser so in order to get the credibility

2691
02:08:47,300 --> 02:08:43,260
that we seek we need to do it in a

2692
02:08:50,419 --> 02:08:47,310
blanket way I think if the US government

2693
02:08:53,240 --> 02:08:50,429
were hiding things in area 51 they could

2694
02:08:55,580 --> 02:08:53,250
very very easily create a reality TV

2695
02:08:57,950 --> 02:08:55,590
show where they have a number of experts

2696
02:09:00,500 --> 02:08:57,960
who put up a number of of elements why

2697
02:09:02,570 --> 02:09:00,510
this is not real and the majority of

2698
02:09:05,109 --> 02:09:02,580
people watching will believe it and I

2699
02:09:09,740 --> 02:09:05,119
think that's the bottom line

2700
02:09:12,530 --> 02:09:09,750
where's the unequivocal evidence and and

2701
02:09:14,419 --> 02:09:12,540
whilst we haven't got that we're back to

2702
02:09:17,060 --> 02:09:14,429
the belief system were just back to

2703
02:09:19,160 --> 02:09:17,070
religion so no I don't think we're ever

2704
02:09:22,879 --> 02:09:19,170
gonna see we're never gonna see the the

2705
02:09:24,290 --> 02:09:22,889
level of satisfaction that we require so

2706
02:09:24,590 --> 02:09:24,300
what can we do what's the next best

2707
02:09:28,879 --> 02:09:24,600
thing

2708
02:09:31,010 --> 02:09:28,889
hope for the best okay and also like to

2709
02:09:33,709 --> 02:09:31,020
mention we don't have that much time

2710
02:09:34,339 --> 02:09:33,719
left just a few minutes that Spiros

2711
02:09:36,349 --> 02:09:34,349
Millar's

2712
02:09:38,899 --> 02:09:36,359
we'll have a 25th anniversary regarding

2713
02:09:41,599 --> 02:09:38,909
the alien autopsy movie he created 25

2714
02:09:44,000 --> 02:09:41,609
years ago and then also wanted to ask a

2715
02:09:45,709 --> 02:09:44,010
question of two of our panelists whether

2716
02:09:47,869 --> 02:09:45,719
they will agree to do something or not

2717
02:09:50,179 --> 02:09:47,879
and then there's three other topics I'm

2718
02:09:52,879 --> 02:09:50,189
gonna mention that we're going to cover

2719
02:09:55,129 --> 02:09:52,889
in the future and that way everybody

2720
02:09:58,040 --> 02:09:55,139
knows and like to also thank Frank for

2721
02:10:01,009 --> 02:09:58,050
something personally on our show so I'd

2722
02:10:03,799 --> 02:10:01,019
like to ask a Michael Hall also known as

2723
02:10:04,459 --> 02:10:03,809
the paranormal lawyer and Spiro

2724
02:10:06,580 --> 02:10:04,469
smeller's

2725
02:10:09,109 --> 02:10:06,590
if they will consider doing a show

2726
02:10:12,709 --> 02:10:09,119
regarding the topic that was covered

2727
02:10:14,779 --> 02:10:12,719
very briefly today on our show and also

2728
02:10:17,330 --> 02:10:14,789
I would like to include a transcript I

2729
02:10:19,759 --> 02:10:17,340
have never read before regarding

2730
02:10:23,299 --> 02:10:19,769
questions at Michael Hall very

2731
02:10:25,909 --> 02:10:23,309
graciously and kindly created for me to

2732
02:10:28,639 --> 02:10:25,919
ask commander Willard Scott Willard

2733
02:10:30,919 --> 02:10:28,649
Miller I serve Willard Miller sir

2734
02:10:33,529 --> 02:10:30,929
Willard Scott was the old weather man

2735
02:10:35,270 --> 02:10:33,539
Yeah right that would be amusing if I

2736
02:10:37,339 --> 02:10:35,280
asked him write those questions we're

2737
02:10:39,560 --> 02:10:37,349
good a commander Willard Miller the

2738
02:10:41,929 --> 02:10:39,570
questions that Michael Hall created for

2739
02:10:44,179 --> 02:10:41,939
me to ask him I did ask him Michael and

2740
02:10:47,290 --> 02:10:44,189
I'd like to read those questions to you

2741
02:10:50,149 --> 02:10:47,300
the the answers that he gave to me

2742
02:10:53,509 --> 02:10:50,159
regarding those questions we did we did

2743
02:10:56,060 --> 02:10:53,519
that on an earlier show did that I'd

2744
02:10:58,759 --> 02:10:56,070
like to know if Michael Hall will join

2745
02:11:00,709 --> 02:10:58,769
us honest show with sparrows go over

2746
02:11:03,069 --> 02:11:00,719
those answers because there are other

2747
02:11:06,580 --> 02:11:03,079
questions I asked that I did not cover

2748
02:11:08,919 --> 02:11:06,590
will you consider doing that Michael oh

2749
02:11:10,729 --> 02:11:08,929
of course

2750
02:11:13,189 --> 02:11:10,739
spiros is one of the most knowledgeable

2751
02:11:15,589 --> 02:11:13,199
guys in this subject he created the film

2752
02:11:17,179 --> 02:11:15,599
and you know I've always just been out

2753
02:11:18,169 --> 02:11:17,189
there trying to gather information I

2754
02:11:20,929 --> 02:11:18,179
would love to do that

2755
02:11:23,719 --> 02:11:20,939
thank you for the opportunity so we'll

2756
02:11:25,489 --> 02:11:23,729
get back to our two panelists on that

2757
02:11:27,709 --> 02:11:25,499
topic regarding scheduling that show

2758
02:11:29,810 --> 02:11:27,719
thank you very much perhaps maybe we can

2759
02:11:31,639 --> 02:11:29,820
do that you know in January of next year

2760
02:11:35,659 --> 02:11:31,649
we'll figure it out the other topics I

2761
02:11:37,939 --> 02:11:35,669
wanted to mention is chases movie Chase

2762
02:11:40,099 --> 02:11:37,949
klutz key created a fascinating movie

2763
02:11:41,540 --> 02:11:40,109
that is getting awards it's called

2764
02:11:43,099 --> 02:11:41,550
extraordinary the seating is an

2765
02:11:45,379 --> 02:11:43,109
award-winning documentary film that

2766
02:11:47,540 --> 02:11:45,389
highlights the often forgotten missing

2767
02:11:47,989 --> 02:11:47,550
foetus syndrome it is now trending and

2768
02:11:50,149 --> 02:11:47,999
free on

2769
02:11:53,059 --> 02:11:50,159
Amazon Prime that she's very happy to

2770
02:11:55,429 --> 02:11:53,069
let everyone know about that and she's

2771
02:11:58,009 --> 02:11:55,439
also emphasizing this is not about the

2772
02:11:59,749 --> 02:11:58,019
money which she has not made a penny

2773
02:12:01,549 --> 02:11:59,759
it's about everyone having the

2774
02:12:03,259 --> 02:12:01,559
opportunity and privilege of seeing it

2775
02:12:05,299 --> 02:12:03,269
and that she's very happy to let

2776
02:12:07,309 --> 02:12:05,309
everybody know about that it was quite

2777
02:12:09,949 --> 02:12:07,319
an endeavor on her part and a lot of

2778
02:12:11,929 --> 02:12:09,959
people were involved on that the other

2779
02:12:15,109 --> 02:12:11,939
topic I wanted to bring up is a very

2780
02:12:17,389 --> 02:12:15,119
important we have a very special show

2781
02:12:18,949 --> 02:12:17,399
that's happening next Sunday Frank will

2782
02:12:20,569 --> 02:12:18,959
have to give every but everybody the

2783
02:12:23,269 --> 02:12:20,579
time on that you know what kind of

2784
02:12:25,639 --> 02:12:23,279
central time that's out it's at 2:00

2785
02:12:28,879 --> 02:12:25,649
Eastern Time as far as I know 2 p.m.

2786
02:12:31,639 --> 02:12:28,889
Eastern Time and that show is going to

2787
02:12:34,969 --> 02:12:31,649
be about Phoenix move fonts boot camp

2788
02:12:36,979 --> 02:12:34,979
special they had a boot camp recently

2789
02:12:39,139 --> 02:12:36,989
they had quite a few interesting people

2790
02:12:41,299 --> 02:12:39,149
who showed up Marc Dantonio the

2791
02:12:43,219 --> 02:12:41,309
astronomer they also had John Dover

2792
02:12:44,719 --> 02:12:43,229
everybody knows John Dover if you don't

2793
02:12:46,789 --> 02:12:44,729
please look him up he's a fascinating

2794
02:12:49,159 --> 02:12:46,799
person I had the opportunity and

2795
02:12:51,499 --> 02:12:49,169
privilege of interviewing him this year

2796
02:12:53,869 --> 02:12:51,509
wanted to let everybody know please tune

2797
02:12:56,809 --> 02:12:53,879
in to that show and then also I would

2798
02:12:59,599 --> 02:12:56,819
like to thank Frank because it has been

2799
02:13:02,599 --> 02:12:59,609
a year that I have had the privilege and

2800
02:13:05,629 --> 02:13:02,609
honor of being your co-host it's our

2801
02:13:07,369 --> 02:13:05,639
one-year anniversary regarding my being

2802
02:13:10,519 --> 02:13:07,379
your co-host on the show roughly it is

2803
02:13:12,769 --> 02:13:10,529
about that yeah yeah usually started I

2804
02:13:15,769 --> 02:13:12,779
think on the Bob Lazar pale that we had

2805
02:13:18,949 --> 02:13:15,779
and then I did our year-end review show

2806
02:13:21,919 --> 02:13:18,959
last year where we only had four guests

2807
02:13:26,389 --> 02:13:21,929
including you at that time and today we

2808
02:13:28,579 --> 02:13:26,399
had 26 or 27 guests so the show was

2809
02:13:32,599 --> 02:13:28,589
seven or eight times better than it was

2810
02:13:35,779 --> 02:13:32,609
last year for sure so yes thank you

2811
02:13:37,609 --> 02:13:35,789
Frank that's it thanks for coming on the

2812
02:13:40,939 --> 02:13:37,619
show thanks for helping keep it going

2813
02:13:43,759 --> 02:13:40,949
there because it's a yeah yeah I

2814
02:13:46,009 --> 02:13:43,769
appreciate that smart guy yeah it's a

2815
02:13:47,599 --> 02:13:46,019
it's not a one-man it's really not a

2816
02:13:50,449 --> 02:13:47,609
one-man person running one of these

2817
02:13:53,629 --> 02:13:50,459
things so definitely a chance stepped in

2818
02:13:56,539 --> 02:13:53,639
and did a lot more than I was expecting

2819
02:13:58,309 --> 02:13:56,549
really you're a great team well I

2820
02:13:59,869 --> 02:13:58,319
appreciate that appreciate that I mean

2821
02:14:00,720 --> 02:13:59,879
that I mean every my particularly was

2822
02:14:02,910 --> 02:14:00,730
impressed with the

2823
02:14:03,780 --> 02:14:02,920
on a preparation that she did and you

2824
02:14:05,970 --> 02:14:03,790
too Frank

2825
02:14:16,560 --> 02:14:05,980
now chant doesn't what's the preparation

2826
02:14:20,100 --> 02:14:16,570
I just wing it yeah whoever saying in

2827
02:14:22,290 --> 02:14:20,110
the UK chant is is a Rottweiler with lip

2828
02:14:30,570 --> 02:14:22,300
gloss pretty much yeah pretty much about

2829
02:14:32,130 --> 02:14:30,580
right anyway good all right so right

2830
02:14:37,130 --> 02:14:32,140
anyone else have anything else to add

2831
02:14:41,760 --> 02:14:39,870
no last parting thoughts huh I'd like to

2832
02:14:44,430 --> 02:14:41,770
I would like to personally thank Phoenix

2833
02:14:46,440 --> 02:14:44,440
MUFON director Jim Mann assistant

2834
02:14:49,580 --> 02:14:46,450
director Stacey Wright I would like to

2835
02:14:52,170 --> 02:14:49,590
thank Russell as bill and Shane heard

2836
02:14:54,840 --> 02:14:52,180
investigators for Phoenix MUFON I would

2837
02:14:56,520 --> 02:14:54,850
like to thank Earl Grey who is on I

2838
02:14:57,960 --> 02:14:56,530
believe the star team please correct me

2839
02:15:00,080 --> 02:14:57,970
if I'm wrong on that you're also the

2840
02:15:03,600 --> 02:15:00,090
assistant director and a former

2841
02:15:08,550 --> 02:15:03,610
investigator of Southern California

2842
02:15:12,300 --> 02:15:08,560
MUFON chapter young you're not just

2843
02:15:14,640 --> 02:15:12,310
investigator you're also yeah there we

2844
02:15:17,310 --> 02:15:14,650
go chief investigator thank you research

2845
02:15:20,640 --> 02:15:17,320
team - wonderful thank you and then we

2846
02:15:23,010 --> 02:15:20,650
also had Reuben OD out there and Reuben

2847
02:15:24,870 --> 02:15:23,020
was on the show briefly with us Earl can

2848
02:15:28,170 --> 02:15:24,880
you please share his style

2849
02:15:31,080 --> 02:15:28,180
north north north calif northern

2850
02:15:33,690 --> 02:15:31,090
california state director in a dear

2851
02:15:36,330 --> 02:15:33,700
friend was very knowledgeable guy and a

2852
02:15:38,970 --> 02:15:36,340
wonderful author as well thank you very

2853
02:15:41,970 --> 02:15:38,980
much for that input we also did have a

2854
02:15:43,770 --> 02:15:41,980
show with reuben and a few other people

2855
02:15:46,560 --> 02:15:43,780
and that show please look up that was a

2856
02:15:48,780 --> 02:15:46,570
fascinating show we had dr. irina scott

2857
02:15:51,690 --> 02:15:48,790
author of multiple UFO books all

2858
02:15:54,060 --> 02:15:51,700
published by philip mantle of sky disk

2859
02:15:55,500 --> 02:15:54,070
press Philip mantel was supposed to be

2860
02:15:58,470 --> 02:15:55,510
on with us today but he didn't have the

2861
02:16:00,090 --> 02:15:58,480
opportunity and then we also had Spiros

2862
02:16:02,160 --> 02:16:00,100
melora's owner creator and director of

2863
02:16:04,620 --> 02:16:02,170
the alien autopsy movie the 25th

2864
02:16:08,580 --> 02:16:04,630
anniversary will be next year we had Zen

2865
02:16:10,380 --> 02:16:08,590
Benefiel who is well actually Zen has

2866
02:16:13,410 --> 02:16:10,390
quite a long resume so you have to look

2867
02:16:14,220 --> 02:16:13,420
him up he also runs the I believe it's

2868
02:16:16,830 --> 02:16:14,230
is it the

2869
02:16:19,320 --> 02:16:16,840
FOP RSS can you can you tell me the name

2870
02:16:23,300 --> 02:16:19,330
of that p RS s that you have on Twitter

2871
02:16:28,920 --> 02:16:23,310
that everybody needs to follow ufology

2872
02:16:30,330 --> 02:16:28,930
underscore p RS s okay basically the

2873
02:16:33,419 --> 02:16:30,340
same title as a website you saw the

2874
02:16:38,910 --> 02:16:33,429
ufology press calm and brain just hit

2875
02:16:42,450 --> 02:16:38,920
the 11700 mark congratulations we have

2876
02:16:45,540 --> 02:16:42,460
anything or not that is significant

2877
02:16:48,180 --> 02:16:45,550
that's something to to drink to we had

2878
02:16:50,310 --> 02:16:48,190
Michael Hall the attorney for grant

2879
02:16:52,589 --> 02:16:50,320
Cameron and a few other notable people

2880
02:16:56,759 --> 02:16:52,599
in the UFO community and outside of it

2881
02:17:03,390 --> 02:16:56,769
and we also had Paul Dean historian and

2882
02:17:05,940 --> 02:17:03,400
researcher on we had Jan Aldridge on yes

2883
02:17:10,680 --> 02:17:05,950
and Jan just to share a little bit about

2884
02:17:12,049 --> 02:17:10,690
Jan he is a where do we have Jan here I

2885
02:17:15,660 --> 02:17:12,059
have a founder and coordinator

2886
02:17:17,910 --> 02:17:15,670
coordinator of project 1947 it which is

2887
02:17:19,440 --> 02:17:17,920
a research project documenting UFO news

2888
02:17:22,049 --> 02:17:19,450
accounts from sightings that occurred in

2889
02:17:25,320 --> 02:17:22,059
1947 please do look that up so that you

2890
02:17:29,400 --> 02:17:25,330
can read all of this fascinating

2891
02:17:31,560 --> 02:17:29,410
information great great site go check it

2892
02:17:34,140 --> 02:17:31,570
out I've got I've got some links to it

2893
02:17:35,820 --> 02:17:34,150
at my website for but some of the oral

2894
02:17:37,980 --> 02:17:35,830
histories that they did over there just

2895
02:17:40,919 --> 02:17:37,990
that fabulous work he had mentioned Tom

2896
02:17:42,870 --> 02:17:40,929
Julia and that he's a guy who got in the

2897
02:17:44,370 --> 02:17:42,880
faces of some of these folks and I'm

2898
02:17:47,280 --> 02:17:44,380
assuming uh some of them aren't around

2899
02:17:49,049 --> 02:17:47,290
anymore so that's that's part of the

2900
02:17:52,860 --> 02:17:49,059
historical record that's great work they

2901
02:17:55,100 --> 02:17:52,870
do over there and we also had Steve

2902
02:18:00,330 --> 02:17:55,110
Bassett who is a lobbyist in Washington

2903
02:18:01,950 --> 02:18:00,340
and we also have an activist also we had

2904
02:18:05,700 --> 02:18:01,960
Steve Hudgens director of Investigations

2905
02:18:08,700 --> 02:18:05,710
for MUFON and if I'm missing anybody

2906
02:18:10,799 --> 02:18:08,710
please you know although I did mention

2907
02:18:14,910 --> 02:18:10,809
well Dean as a historian and researcher

2908
02:18:17,820 --> 02:18:14,920
yes is there anybody else yet author

2909
02:18:20,790 --> 02:18:17,830
paulvickie at Georgia slate okay great

2910
02:18:23,190 --> 02:18:20,800
and then we also had Dave Loomis he had

2911
02:18:26,280 --> 02:18:23,200
some I think he was a state section

2912
02:18:28,230 --> 02:18:26,290
director for xolo MUFON he had some

2913
02:18:30,209 --> 02:18:28,240
serious audio issues

2914
02:18:33,570 --> 02:18:30,219
but we will hopefully be hearing from

2915
02:18:36,839 --> 02:18:33,580
him next Sunday at 2 p.m. is it central

2916
02:18:40,169 --> 02:18:36,849
time Frank for the mufon it is a 2 p.m.

2917
02:18:43,469 --> 02:18:40,179
East Coast time 3 p.m. West Coast time

2918
02:18:44,910 --> 02:18:43,479
in Arizona I guess will be to noon I'm

2919
02:18:49,910 --> 02:18:44,920
sorry wait a minute

2920
02:18:52,799 --> 02:18:49,920
3 p.m. it'll be not wet 2 p.m. my time

2921
02:18:53,969 --> 02:18:52,809
noon your time and then 11:00 a.m. West

2922
02:18:56,280 --> 02:18:53,979
Coast time there we go

2923
02:18:57,509 --> 02:18:56,290
ok alright thank you Joe we're good

2924
02:18:59,100 --> 02:18:57,519
having been on show

2925
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yep thanks a lot everybody I appreciate

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it have a great rest of the year and

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enjoy your holiday season if I don't get